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Forum: NHLlun. à 20 h 1
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Again your missing the point so wont bother

In the end it = waste of assets and factoring Karlsson's age and history best to stay clear

Smart move to stay clear by management</div></div>

You’re missing the point though. I’m arguing your point and you repeat yourself / move on or ignore statements.

Your assumption / choice :

Trelivings team is a good choice by management ( aka move on from Dubas who wanted to continue being aggressive )

Go after UFA gambles on RD ( yeah the UFA history of successful big signings is shiney clean )

My point :

Dubas ain’t that bad

- Karlsson having a bad year is still better than Skeji’s entire career and Montours almost entirely
- Montour is a regular 30 point guy who boomed last year and returned back in line
- You criticize Karlsson as a massive gamble yet signing Montour and Skeji are going to each be 4-6 year MINIMUM deals at a minimum AAV of 5.5; I would bet Montour and Skeji are both USA players currently (one in the sunshine state) won’t sign in Toronto for less than 6-7.5m
- Karlsson at 8-10m QB vs two UFA gambles at 6-7.5m (for TERM)
- UFA LONG TERM SIGNINGS ALWAYS GOING SWIMMINGLY
{he says sarcastically}
- additionally these signings would take place THIS year, not at the start of the Season like Karlsson. Which means you’re accepting this year is a throwaway and waiting to fix an issue this offseason.


Your point is that of bias and blind criticism of Karlsson and praise of the other two signings yet you fail to actually provide any evidence other than subjective opinion and I just state saying:

Karlsson is a bad choice for the Leafs and smart avoidance
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The same thing as signing Montour and Skeji to 6 year high AAV deals

If you can’t see how signing both those guys to long term, high AAV deals isn’t the same thing as just betting on your core + adding Karlsson: then that is missing the point.

I find my arguments quite fair.
Forum: NHL26 mars à 17 h 13
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Spending lots of money can make you the best team as you can go get every big FA out there again your missing the point

The hard cap is a necessary evil to keep things balanced</div></div>

No, you're missing the point. Did you read the part where I said that the soft cap would only exceed the hard cap by something like 7 - 10 million? We aren't talking about a Golden State Warriors level of overage, we are talking about an certain amount of additional cap space teams can dip into if they pay the extra taxes.

And again, spending a lot on the biggest free agents doesn't make you the best team for a few reasons:

1. Even with a soft cap, there is still an upper limit. You cant just throw out money and term without second thought because you still need to be able to get under that threshold. We aren't talking about abolishing a salary cap, we are talking about implementing a <strong>soft salary cap</strong>

2. There will be multiple teams in on big name targets, and not every athlete goes where they are offered the most money. To assume that every big name FA will just collectively agree to go to a place is just dumb. If your logic was right, then Tavares would be a Shark

3. SPENDING LOTS DOES NOT EQUAL BEING GOOD. I could build a Leafs team that goes ~15 mil over the salary cap using this upcoming batch of Free Agents and they still wouldn't be the best roster on paper. Again, it's all about being smart. Look at the MLB where there is no limit on spending. The highest spenders in 2023 were the Mets, the Yankees, and the Padres. Guess how many of them made the playoffs? Well if you guessed zero, then you're right. The two teams that made the WS were 21st and 9th in league spending. The difference between hockey and these other sports is that when teams like Vegas and Tampa win the Cup, it's due in part to the fact that they were able to surpass the cap ceiling because of injuries, something their opponents were not able to do. They used that extra money wisely. If every team in the league is afforded the opportunity to do that, then it becomes much more fair.

You've yet to give me one good reason why exactly a hard cap is a so-called "necessary evil".
Forum: NHL26 mars à 16 h 21
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>In general and I hate doing it to them over and over for TBL it makes sense why there is a hard cap

Look at the players they have lost

Coleman
Goodorw
Killorn
Palat
McDonagh
Savard
Rutta
etc

If NHL had no hard cap those guys would still be there rn and we would have a juggernaut

Hagel-Point-Kucherov
Killorn-Cirelli-Stamkos
Palat-Paul-Coleman
Jeannot-Goodrow-Duclair

Hedman-Rutta
McDonagh-Cernak
Sergechev-Savard</div></div>

And every other team who lost players for cap reasons would ALSO have their players... Duclair wouldnt be there because Florida wouldve had no reason to trade him to San Jose. This kind of argument applies to every team, it's such a lame way of trying to discredit a soft cap system. The Leafs would've probably still had Hyman and Kadri. Panarin wouldn't have been traded from Chicago to Columbus. I could go on forever.

There are 32 teams in the league who want to win a Stanley Cup. There are 32 teams in the league backed by huge corporations with piles of money. This isn't basketball where you go out and sign LeBron and hope for the best. You need to put together a group of ~20 guys who fill certain roles and play well together. Even if you could hypothetically convince the 20 best players in the world to all sign with the Leafs, what's to say they win the Cup? It's all about balance and playing a system. Look at the San Jose Sharks when they had Pavelski, Karlsson, Thornton, Marleau, prime Jones, Burns, Vlasic, Couture, Hertl, etc. Did they ever win a Cup?

Spending a lot of money does not equate to being the best team; spending money smartly does. Introducing a soft cap so that ALL teams could go over the limit if they need to would make it a level playing field. No more using injuries as an opportunity to use LTIR space. No more ungodly salary dumps. And again, we aren't talking about some huge increase in cap space here, probably an additional 7 - 10 million. It's not like introducing a soft cap means the Leafs can go out and sign McDavid and Draisaitl without batting an eye. Its simply a way of letting teams flesh out their rosters with extra cap space if they please. My whole thing is that teams like Tampa are able to build juggernauts because of an opportunity only afforded to them because of an injury. You can't blame Tampa for spending because they are without a good player after all, but in the end this team is still able to have 18m dollars worth of extra talent on their team because someone got injured. It's a ridiculous way of going about things.