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Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Hier à 21 h 56
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Lul Woll has been bad this game what more is there to say
4 goals on 23 shots not good
Where is the lost part?
He did not have it together and let in softies should have sat him after the 4th goal and let him figure it out for WSH</div></div>
You only see what you want to see. It's a joke
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Hier à 21 h 52
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Keefe being hesitant to pull a goalie makes no sense especially with how Woll's been recently
Last 5 games 0.899sv. Would have pulled him and just let Jones go in
Recollect himself and start the WSH game</div></div>
You are just lost
Forum:
NHL
Hier à 17 h 13
Sujet:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Spending lots of money can make you the best team as you can go get every big FA out there again your missing the point
The hard cap is a necessary evil to keep things balanced</div></div>
No, you're missing the point. Did you read the part where I said that the soft cap would only exceed the hard cap by something like 7 - 10 million? We aren't talking about a Golden State Warriors level of overage, we are talking about an certain amount of additional cap space teams can dip into if they pay the extra taxes.
And again, spending a lot on the biggest free agents doesn't make you the best team for a few reasons:
1. Even with a soft cap, there is still an upper limit. You cant just throw out money and term without second thought because you still need to be able to get under that threshold. We aren't talking about abolishing a salary cap, we are talking about implementing a <strong>soft salary cap</strong>
2. There will be multiple teams in on big name targets, and not every athlete goes where they are offered the most money. To assume that every big name FA will just collectively agree to go to a place is just dumb. If your logic was right, then Tavares would be a Shark
3. SPENDING LOTS DOES NOT EQUAL BEING GOOD. I could build a Leafs team that goes ~15 mil over the salary cap using this upcoming batch of Free Agents and they still wouldn't be the best roster on paper. Again, it's all about being smart. Look at the MLB where there is no limit on spending. The highest spenders in 2023 were the Mets, the Yankees, and the Padres. Guess how many of them made the playoffs? Well if you guessed zero, then you're right. The two teams that made the WS were 21st and 9th in league spending. The difference between hockey and these other sports is that when teams like Vegas and Tampa win the Cup, it's due in part to the fact that they were able to surpass the cap ceiling because of injuries, something their opponents were not able to do. They used that extra money wisely. If every team in the league is afforded the opportunity to do that, then it becomes much more fair.
You've yet to give me one good reason why exactly a hard cap is a so-called "necessary evil".
Forum:
NHL
Hier à 16 h 21
Sujet:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>In general and I hate doing it to them over and over for TBL it makes sense why there is a hard cap
Look at the players they have lost
Coleman
Goodorw
Killorn
Palat
McDonagh
Savard
Rutta
etc
If NHL had no hard cap those guys would still be there rn and we would have a juggernaut
Hagel-Point-Kucherov
Killorn-Cirelli-Stamkos
Palat-Paul-Coleman
Jeannot-Goodrow-Duclair
Hedman-Rutta
McDonagh-Cernak
Sergechev-Savard</div></div>
And every other team who lost players for cap reasons would ALSO have their players... Duclair wouldnt be there because Florida wouldve had no reason to trade him to San Jose. This kind of argument applies to every team, it's such a lame way of trying to discredit a soft cap system. The Leafs would've probably still had Hyman and Kadri. Panarin wouldn't have been traded from Chicago to Columbus. I could go on forever.
There are 32 teams in the league who want to win a Stanley Cup. There are 32 teams in the league backed by huge corporations with piles of money. This isn't basketball where you go out and sign LeBron and hope for the best. You need to put together a group of ~20 guys who fill certain roles and play well together. Even if you could hypothetically convince the 20 best players in the world to all sign with the Leafs, what's to say they win the Cup? It's all about balance and playing a system. Look at the San Jose Sharks when they had Pavelski, Karlsson, Thornton, Marleau, prime Jones, Burns, Vlasic, Couture, Hertl, etc. Did they ever win a Cup?
Spending a lot of money does not equate to being the best team; spending money smartly does. Introducing a soft cap so that ALL teams could go over the limit if they need to would make it a level playing field. No more using injuries as an opportunity to use LTIR space. No more ungodly salary dumps. And again, we aren't talking about some huge increase in cap space here, probably an additional 7 - 10 million. It's not like introducing a soft cap means the Leafs can go out and sign McDavid and Draisaitl without batting an eye. Its simply a way of letting teams flesh out their rosters with extra cap space if they please. My whole thing is that teams like Tampa are able to build juggernauts because of an opportunity only afforded to them because of an injury. You can't blame Tampa for spending because they are without a good player after all, but in the end this team is still able to have 18m dollars worth of extra talent on their team because someone got injured. It's a ridiculous way of going about things.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
dim. à 20 h 18
Sujet:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>In the name of all things sacred, PLEASE give Robertson a shot with Matthews. I swear every time they’re out there together good **** happens</div></div>
Putting another scoring threat next to Matthews opens up the ice for both guys. Not sure why Keefe is so resistant to the idea
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
dim. à 20 h 17
Sujet:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>Yeah im ready to say adios to Robertson. He's been downright horrible in this last stretch. Started off the season so well too...</div></div>
Right on queue. No need to thank me!
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
10 mars à 16 h 12
Sujet:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>Seems to be the consensus and I just can't get on board. I don't want him back.</div></div>
🤞he wants to go back to CHI (hopefully they offer him a big big deal)
Forum:
NHL
9 mars à 11 h 50
Sujet:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>edeangel84</b></div><div>https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/815105
This is what being deranged looks like…</div></div>
Hes not entirely right, but those are definitely guys that Dubas really likes. I do find it funny that he conveniently left off guys like Acciari, Schenn, ROR, and Foligno who are all polar opposites of those guys lmao
Forum:
NHL
9 mars à 9 h 27
Sujet:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
Trade Deadline Winners And Losers:
Winners:
Vegas - Traded for everyone lol,
Carolina - Got best player available without giving up premium assets, got a reclamtion project in Kuzy who might revive his career
Colorado - Solified their top 6 with Mitts, and added a solid defenseman in Walker, who plays their style and is probably a better fit than Byram for their playoff run for this year.
Philly - Stuck to the rebuild plan sold high on Walker and added another first. Gurianov was a sneaky add, fast and huge, could be a nice little project for Torts. EJ is a Vet, Flyers needed bodies on D with Seeler, Drysdale, Ristolainen injured. York being banged up and Walker traded. EJ is a body with a lot of experience should be a good fit for the room.
San Jose - They stuck to their rebuild, When Grier got there that team needed a tear down with the lack of prospects/picks, current depth, and age of the stars. And Grier has done that. This was the most amount of value he was gonna ever get for Hertl who wouldn't have played in a meaningful game with San Jose again anyway. He got 2 firsts, They have a good chance at Celebrini, a ton of cap space now. Also got good value on Duclair.
Losers:
Leafs - Didn't aim high enough, waste of a deadline. Another year wasted of Matthews and Marners career
Vancouver - Didn't do anything, Lindholm ehh. Lost out on Guentzel
Rags - Acuired mid players paid high prices
Calgary - Lost every trade 60-40
Dallas - Didn't do enough, still have Hakapaa and Suter on their top 6 d
Boston - Overpaid for Peeke who doesn't even play full time for CBJ, Ullmark deal fell through.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
7 mars à 18 h 51
Sujet:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>People really gonna be overreacting on a 6th round pick.....
I mean I know this fanbase love to overreact but for that lul come on</div></div>
We’ve made 11 selections over the past 3 drafts.
We just gave out 2 3rds, 5th, and a 6th for two UFA D’s I hope they don’t re-sign.
Yes, it matters
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
7 mars à 17 h 49
Sujet:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>Wasn’t he about to be a UFA?</div></div>
I’m with you, why not just wait.
By all accounts CAR wasn’t signing him.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
7 mars à 11 h 39
Sujet:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CameronSquires</b></div><div>Leafs got edmundson</div></div>
3 and 5.
We're just throwing away picks man. **** this had better work Istg
Forum:
NHL
6 mars à 19 h 6
Sujet:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>Lol Hanifin to VGK</div></div>
So glad he's not coming to the Atlantic lmfao. Better Vegas than Boston, Florida, or Tampa
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
4 mars à 22 h 21
Sujet:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
I know you can't win every game, but Im starting to feel like we just cannot beat the Bruins. They are the antithesis of the Leafs. They execute a very dangerous offensive system perfectly, have a bruting and defensively sound blue line, and two of the best goalies in the league. The Leafs are none of those things and it shows. Games like tonight should serve as excellent reminders that this team is a long way off from competing, and we really shouldn't buy a ton at the TDL. Maybe a move or two for guys that help now and later.
I dont want to make too much of a knee jerk reaction, but this game put all of our issues out on display.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
28 févr. à 22 h 19
Sujet:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>What??? Where’s that from?
I’d be somewhat surprised if he got a raise at all, downright shocked if he got one on a contract longer than 2 years</div></div>
One of the insiders yesterday said it. Let me check and I'll edit the link into this comment within 10 mins if I find it
<a href="https://twitter.com/taj1944/status/1762918572383420905?t=jUESXcaR4HNR-egRqqtOAw&s=19" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Here it is</a>
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
28 févr. à 20 h 34
Sujet:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>So DAL gave
2nd RD pick, conditional 3rd RD pick & Artem Grushnikov for Tanev
Artem Grushnikov = 48 OA pick back in 2021
To bad we didnt have a 2nd lul
2nd + 3rd and Hirvonen could have probs got it done lul</div></div>
I wouldn't have made that trade. Tanev to Toronto made no sense, Im so glad we didnt get him
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
28 févr. à 16 h 9
Sujet:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
So with the news that Murray is seeing pucks again, would we be comfortable with signing Murray to be Woll's backup next year for league min? Maybe have him start in the AHL in the Jones role?
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
28 févr. à 16 h 34
Sujet:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Like rn im thinking
TOR sends: Robertson, Timmins, Niemela, 1st to SEA (Helps with ret), SEA sends Larsson (50% ret), Kartye, and Tatar (50% ret) to TOR
Knies-Matthews-Marner
Bertuzzi-Domi-Nylander
Kartye-JT-Jarnkrok
Tatar-Kampf-McMann
Rielly-Larsson
Benoit-McCabe
Brodie-Liligren
Extra: Gio, Reaves, Holmberg</div></div>
This would be so bad for Toronto. It's a marginal upgrade for loads of futures.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
28 févr. à 15 h 48
Sujet:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>Could be nice, sure, but if we’re including a 1st and Niemela I’m aiming higher, even if it means adding. Like that’s Muzzin/Ekholm territory and I don’t think Larsson is in that class tbh - I know he’d be much cheaper at $2m but still.</div></div>
I don't think the guy you want exists on the trade market
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
28 févr. à 11 h 45
Sujet:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>Doesn't kick in until July 1st when his new contract begins, as it currently stands his only trade protection is his M-NTC</div></div>
Not true. His contract extension retroactively added a NTC to this year. (It's actually a full NMC, but for our purposes it's interchangeable)
I feel like people often forget that the term "contract extension" isn't just a random phrase we use
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
19 févr. à 19 h 17
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>So apparently Van's souring on Mikheyev and may be eyeing a move
Me:
<img class="for_img" src="https://y.yarn.co/f471d2ac-fb01-47e3-9af7-89f07b8078e9_text.gif" alt="f471d2ac-fb01-47e3-9af7-89f07b8078e9_text.gif">
He was a lot of fun here his final year and a third line of Jarnkrok-Kampf-Mikheyev wouldnt be bad for defensive purposes</div></div>
For 4.75m, I'm passing on that deal every single day
Forum:
NHL
18 févr. à 14 h 20
Sujet:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>Does anyone know - if a team acquires somebody who has performance bonuses on their deal, and that player has already met the conditions of the bonuses, is the team who signed him on the hook for that money next year or the acquiring team?
i.e. If the Leafs traded for Connor Brown, who after 10 GP with the Oilers secured his performance bonus of $3.225m which is to be tacked onto next years cap, does that count against the Leafs cap or the Oilers?</div></div>
It depends on the bonus and the contract. For typical ELC schedule A bonuses, some are hit for team-related stats (top-6 in points per game). As assuming the player plays the minimum amount of games with both team, that would count for the team that ended up with player. If it’s a counting stat…like most SPC or 35+ deal that include bonuses, such as number of games player, it depends on where the played was when they reached that number.
For example, I believe both Florida and Philadelphia booked bonuses by Owen Tippett the year he was traded
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NHL
17 févr. à 21 h 18
Sujet:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>That's what I figured, it seems to make the most sense. You got a source for that?</div></div>
The official information may not be available (or I've overlooked it).
I do have anectdotal confirmation from a more legitimate source however.
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/12388464/florida-panthers-acquire-jaromir-jagr-new-jersey-devils-two-draft-picks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>The Panthers will pick up the full prorated remainder of Jagr's $3.5 million salary, but the Devils are responsible for his $2 million games-played bonus, which he has already achieved, Lamoriello confirmed to ESPN.com's Pierre LeBrun.</div>
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NHL
17 févr. à 19 h 2
Sujet:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>That's what I figured, it seems to make the most sense. You got a source for that?</div></div>
Just did a quick search since the game is about to come on.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>Performance bonuses count against the salary cap as soon as they are earned. If there’s cap space to absorb them, great, we never need speak of it again unless you’re a luxury car salesperson, and you have the player’s phone number.
If the end of year cap space isn’t enough to absorb the bonuses actually earned, then the excess is rolled into the next year and counts against the salary cap, eating into the space just like retained salary or an overpaid player in the press box does.</div>
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/the-basics-on-nhl-contract-bonuses-maple-leafs-contract-slide-signing-bonus-performance-bonus/
If I remember later I'll look for something more official.
Basically performance bonuses are a running tally that accumulate as they are earned.
At the end of that season you subtract remaining cap space from that amount and the remainder is a carryover.
The team that is presumed to benefit from that player reaching a performance threshold, is the one to which the hit is applied.
Brown's performance bonus was for his first 10 games, and Edmonton was the beneficiary of those first 10 games, so they are responsible for that bonus.
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NHL
17 févr. à 18 h 47
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>Does anyone know - if a team acquires somebody who has performance bonuses on their deal, and that player has already met the conditions of the bonuses, is the team who signed him on the hook for that money next year or the acquiring team?
i.e. If the Leafs traded for Connor Brown, who after 10 GP with the Oilers secured his performance bonus of $3.225m which is to be tacked onto next years cap, does that count against the Leafs cap or the Oilers?</div></div>
It counts against the team the player was with when the bonus was earned.
As soon as Connor Brown played his 10th(?) game, his bonus was applied to Edmonton.
If he is traded to the Leafs, the bonus stays with Edmonton.
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