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Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 15 h 13
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Forum: Armchair-GMven. à 15 h 45
Sujet: I feel bad for Pens fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>I’m not a conspiracy theorist but the league has a few instances of teams winning the lottery after major issues happen with the organization. Penguins threatening relocation and Chicago’s sexual assault scandal are just two instances of it.

The NHL is a business, making sure giant organizations like Chicago and Pittsburgh are only being talked about in a positive way for decades drives more money.

You can choose to believe whatever you want but people also never believed referees were picking and choosing when to call penalties until they started getting caught on hotmics</div></div>

Okay cool - just wanted to make sure haha. The Pens had the highest odds in the Crosby sweepstakes - so there's really no reason to think they were given special treatment or the lottery was rigged for them. If they made some giant leap up, then I can at least see people pointing to that as "evidence". Also, what makes the Pens a giant organization? They're bottom half of the league valuation wise(would've been much lower around the time of the 05 lottery) and Pittsburgh is a small city. That argument might make sense for Chicago, but I don't really think it applies to Pittsburgh. If the NHL wanted to benefit a big organization they would've sent Crosby to New York. There's also been multiple teams that either relocated, or thought about relocating since the lottery was introduced, so why wouldn't the league haven given them the top pick as well?

As for Chicago, if anything, I think them winning the lottery was bad for the league in my eyes. It brought significantly more attention to the organizational issues - and even had people complaining that they were even allowed to keep the pick. To me it definitely brought more negative attention to the league than positive.

Sure - we can all believe what we want. And who doesn't love a good conspiracy theory haha. I just don't see any evidence that there's some nefarious things going on with the lottery, specifically those two as well.
Forum: Armchair-GMmer. à 19 h 20
Sujet: Find a path
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>does anyone really thing 3RW is why this team didn't make the playoffs?
I mean they didn't make the playoffs because the 3rd pairing sucked and the power play blew chunks. Then entire bottom 6 did nothing and they were still only a few points out.
You only need to be close by TDL. But again. Just scraping in like WSH or NYI did isn't competing. If that's the best they can do, who cares anyway.

This is the point. If the defense and the top 6 and the goal can't look competitive in any substantial way, then you are right they won't make the playoffs and what difference does it all make anyway? Because 3RW isn't what is or isn't going to make you competitive.

It's a moot point at that point.

We can't say the team is not fast and then turn around and sign yet another old player. This idea that they are still somehow "good" just doesn't cut mustard. It's not that their contracts are "up." It's that teams don't want roped in on 34 year old players so why let the penguins play the fool. Bringing guys that age in only works when the rest of the roster is young. That isn't the penguins, you just end up with the oldest slowest roster in the league.
Building the best team doesn't mean spending money or having to do it right now.
This team is better off waiting to fill those roles. We've seen the options of FA... they aren't great. You can find at least not great at TDL at minimal cost with no issues going forward.
So why rush?
It's better to claim the pieces as they are available. Instead of rushing into a fix. Even if the window is closing if not already closed.
Because if you can't build an actual cup contender you are just spinning wheels anyway. None of what you listed on that list is going to make this team a cup contender.
The best is probably Stephenson, who will cost a lot, want long term, and isn't going to settle for a 3rd line role anyway. Odds that he agrees to come to PIT is probably small to begin with.
As I'm sure he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild in the middle of his contract.
I'm just a bit more realistic of where this team is. What it's options really are. I realize that it's not going to be fixed in 1 year. It's going to take at least 2.
We have to be prepared to accept that. If they did that to begin with they wouldn't be where they are now. But Hextal thought he had to win right now.... just like Dubas thought he had to win right now.
So we ended up with Smith who didn't mesh, EK who was a luxury item they really didn't need, and a team built with no real plan.</div></div>

I know we aren't going to agree though so don't feel like you have to respond haha. Like I said I like your moves and the team overall - just think it needs one more bit with that cap space.

I'm getting the impression you kinda think the Crosby era is over so just want to coast into the sunset. And thats fine. I just dont see how theyre too old now but the team can be built in the 2 following years when theyre even older. Time isn't a luxury I think they possess right now. I personally would like to see them ice the best team possible and try to compete now - because I think they still can. That's where we differ - and that's okay.

Always appreciate the chat. Have a good one man!
Forum: Armchair-GMmer. à 19 h 7
Sujet: Find a path
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>does anyone really thing 3RW is why this team didn't make the playoffs?
I mean they didn't make the playoffs because the 3rd pairing sucked and the power play blew chunks. Then entire bottom 6 did nothing and they were still only a few points out.
You only need to be close by TDL. But again. Just scraping in like WSH or NYI did isn't competing. If that's the best they can do, who cares anyway.

This is the point. If the defense and the top 6 and the goal can't look competitive in any substantial way, then you are right they won't make the playoffs and what difference does it all make anyway? Because 3RW isn't what is or isn't going to make you competitive.

It's a moot point at that point.

We can't say the team is not fast and then turn around and sign yet another old player. This idea that they are still somehow "good" just doesn't cut mustard. It's not that their contracts are "up." It's that teams don't want roped in on 34 year old players so why let the penguins play the fool. Bringing guys that age in only works when the rest of the roster is young. That isn't the penguins, you just end up with the oldest slowest roster in the league.
Building the best team doesn't mean spending money or having to do it right now.
This team is better off waiting to fill those roles. We've seen the options of FA... they aren't great. You can find at least not great at TDL at minimal cost with no issues going forward.
So why rush?
It's better to claim the pieces as they are available. Instead of rushing into a fix. Even if the window is closing if not already closed.
Because if you can't build an actual cup contender you are just spinning wheels anyway. None of what you listed on that list is going to make this team a cup contender.
The best is probably Stephenson, who will cost a lot, want long term, and isn't going to settle for a 3rd line role anyway. Odds that he agrees to come to PIT is probably small to begin with.
As I'm sure he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild in the middle of his contract.
I'm just a bit more realistic of where this team is. What it's options really are. I realize that it's not going to be fixed in 1 year. It's going to take at least 2.
We have to be prepared to accept that. If they did that to begin with they wouldn't be where they are now. But Hextal thought he had to win right now.... just like Dubas thought he had to win right now.
So we ended up with Smith who didn't mesh, EK who was a luxury item they really didn't need, and a team built with no real plan.</div></div>

Cmon man - you know that's not an argument for not signing another winger or improving the team though. And if you did, the team would actually look a lot better and be a great overall team. I wouldn't say the 3rd pairing is a main reason for missing the playoffs - the PP absolutely was though. Yes, the bottom 6 didn't produce - so why not add someone there that can produce? I mean..... that is competing though. Certainly more than not trying to make the playoffs.

That's not a point for not signing another winger though. I just can't grasp why you're so against making the team better?

Yes we can - because fast and old aren't opposites. The opposite of old is young. It does though - because they are good. Simply saying someone isn't good because they're old, now that doesn't cut the mustard. No, it's that their contracts are up and the teams don't know if they can afford to re-sign them. Yeah and forcing young guys in the roster only works if they're amazing and the rest of team is great. That's not the Pens.

I mean - spending money on better players does mean building the best team. Everything with the Pens has to be done right now though. That's the stage they're at. They don't have time to wait.

Yes, weve seen the options. And they're pretty good. So you'd rather give up draft capital than sign someone for free? And again, you have to be in playoff contention to be a buyer. Why rush? Cmon man haha. You know exactly why. Look at the age of the core - their best players.

You don't get more available then a UFA my friend. Signing a UFA isn't "rushing". Plus yes - the Pens do in fact have to rush if youre actually thinking of competing again in this era. But it makes the team better dude. I don't understand this argument of "don't make the team better because it won't make them a top 5 team in the league"?

You have the space for Stephenson though. Okay, then throw him at 2C, move Malkin to wing and drop Bunting or Rakell. It doesn't actually have to be a 3RW - the lines can be shuffled.

I don't think you're being any more realistic of where this team is than I am haha. If anyhting I'd say you're less - since you keep saying we have time. Which we don't. And I gave several good options. Okay but then i need to ask - how are you going to fix it in 2 years when your players are even more ancient?

Hextall just sucked. Had nothing to do with him trying to win now. Dubas does have to win right now though. The Smith trade just sucked - had nothing to do with Dubas rushing. The EK trade was good
Forum: Armchair-GMmer. à 18 h 2
Sujet: Find a path
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>A. we don't know what we have in Koivunen yet.
B. the age matters, you can't just write it off. This team looked old and slow this year. Bringing in 34 year olds isn't going to change that. It's just pissing away money and opportunity.
One look at that list and you realize WHY those guys are on the market.

I think we have different ideas of what it means to actually compete. Just scrapping into the playoffs to be blown out like WSH and NYI isn't competing.
There has to be an actual realization of that.

You look at that team above. 2 spots in 3C and 3RW. I tried to fill with youth. maybe maybe not.
But I'm not ruling out other areas of filling those holes. I just don't think it can be done in FA at either a Price, contract term or player that this team needs to be involved with.

Come trade deadline there are always guys available. maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick brings in a more viable option. 1st are completely off the table.
We have to consider things past what FA brings in and not get roped in.
There aren't that many holes on a team. You fix 3 above, 1LW, both 3rd pairing.
Lets not expect to fix everything in 1 offseason. Be patient and see what happens. Look at FL. They grabbed Senko for a 4th and a 3rd.
This is how the penguins should be looking at this. Fill what makes sense.... worry about what is left later with small ball trades.
You give yourself both a chance to let the youth play and show what they got, and might find they actually fill the need.
If not, it's not like you are fixing the whole team at TDL.
It's only 1 or 2 roles.</div></div>

A. I agree. That's basically my exact point
B. Nobody said age doesn't matter. Nowhere did i write it off. I said you can't just look at age. How they perform on the ice is what matters - and rhat obviously can be affected by their age. Correct - the Pens were not a fast team. That doesn't mean they can't sign any of the guys I listed. It's not pissing away money and opportunity though. Yeah they're on the market because their contracts are up.

Sure. Maybe we do. And that's fine. I think trying to put together the best possible roster and make the playoffs would basically be the definition of competing.

I'm fine with playing youth. I think it's good. Inject youth in the lineup for a spark and to save money. I'm just not for forcing youth into the lineup to the detriment of the team, especially when there's so much cap space left. I guess I just don't understand how 3RW can't be filled in FA when there's a long list of guys.

Correct you filled some holes like 1LW and 3RD - and like I said i like those moves. The only thing i pointed out was possibly signing an extra winger - i guess I just dont understand the hesitancy to sign a winger that would upgrade the team. Yeah but you need to be in a playoff position to be buyers at the deadline. I wouldn't expect a team to fix every hole in one offseason - it just seems kind of weird to me to not fix a hole when you have the money to do so. Right, but again, if it doesn't work - you aren't buying at the deadline
Forum: Armchair-GMmer. à 17 h 0
Sujet: Find a path
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>I think that last line really says it all.
Stamkos is 34 no thanks.
Senko is old and broken
Marchessault is 34
Toffoli gonna be 33
DeBrusk is basically Smith... 40 pt inconsistant player.
Duclair no thank you.
Domi probably stays in TOR, not a huge fan to be honest.
Arvidsson is 32 coming off injury
Stephenson is 31

This is what I mean when I say the list of FA isn't anything great.
Most of those guys aren't signing 1 or 2 year deals.
I think if this team is going to start building better it needs to stop panic mode and start thinking plan. It's been the string of 1 year fixes that has brought this team to where it is.
The cycle has to end at some point. Sure if you can get a guy on a 1 year deal ok maybe. But I realize that's not going to happen.
It's better to save cap so they can go after bigger fish. Like targeting a 2C.
Mediocre help isn't going to make this team a legit contender. I accept that fact. It's going to have to restructure and redefine it's "core."
You can't do that constantly living on the cap edge, because you kept trying to look for bottom of the barrel support blowing through the cap.
We have to accept that what we have isn't a playoff team to start. That one or two middle of the road pieces isn't going to make them a cup contender.</div></div>

What does it say? To me it just says there's some good UFA wingers available. You can't just look at the age though, you need to look at the caliber of player. Those are all good players, and better players than Koivunen right now.

It is good though, I mentioned several good players in that list. We don't need them to sign 1 or 2 year deals. I mean, there is some panic mode though. They're at the end of their time. They're building teams for now. I agree - the cycle has to end at some point. The good news is we know exactly when that ends - when Crosby/Malkin/Letang and partly EK are done. They don't have the luxury of taking a gap year for the 0.00001% chance that they get Draisiatl next offseason though - or a multi year fix.

It's not mediocre though - those are all solid players that would be an upgrade at wing over Koivunen. Maybe we just need to clear things up so I have a better understanding and clarity of your side. Are you saying this era is over and they shouldn't try to win? Because if you are, then yes, I understand your take and not wanting to sign someone. But if you're still trying to compete - I don't see why would would be against signing a good player to help the team?