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Forum: NHL Signings1 juill. 2018 à 17 h 7
Sujet: Chicago Blackhawks signed Brandon Manning (2 Years / $2,250,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Stan Bowman should get fired....this is absurd. Hickey, Moore, Cole....but Manning for over $2M? You've got to be kidding me. Bring back Dale Tallon who built the 3 cup team.</div></div>

And Stan wasn't even done screwing around, he basically gifted Cam Ward $3,000,000 when in reality Cam Ward would be begging for an NHL job in late August had the Hawks not gifted him 3m..

Oh yea, then he signs Chris Kunitz who is a year older than I am BTW (He will be 39 before the start of the season) to play 2nd line left wing....

Of course the Hawks still have no one besides Toews who can win draws, and I'm sure Bowman has no intention on addressing that issue, the Hawks still lack a top 4 and the #5 defenseman Bowman just signed is a tire-fire like this team right now..
Forum: NHL Signings1 juill. 2018 à 16 h 52
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs signed John Tavares (7 Years / $11,000,000 AAV)
I actually suggested a while back that the Leafs may do this and go all in on Tavares and then trade Nylander (or someone else down the road to make room for Matthews)... I got totally flamed tor suggesting that BTW. but here we are a few months later and <b> it's nice to be vindicated</b>.... I said all along he would end up in Toronto, but I figured it would be a one 1-year deal for 12 per in an attempt at a Cup run then he would resign with the Islanders next season...

Well, I suppose the Leafs will be in "cap hell" next season ... I wonder what their strategy is? let Nylander get offer-sheeted? or are they planning to let Marner go??

I'm shocked this happened - not that he signed in Toronto but the fact he signed for 7-years.... Hey, it's a risk but it may be worth it..... Trade Nylander for a top 4 defenseman?

Either way the Leafs cant afford Matthews, Tavares, Nylander &amp; Marner - it's not going to happen especially when Marner and Nylader will want 7+ to stick around..
Forum: NHL Signings27 juin 2018 à 21 h 38
Sujet: Los Angeles Kings signed Ilya Kovalchuk (3 Years / $6,250,000 AAV)
Not a good deal at all, it's a 35+ contract which means LA is stuck with the cap-hit no matter what happens... There is nothing stopping Kovalchuk from playing one season, scoring 50 points not having it work out and then heading back to the KHL... If that happens the Kings are stuck with that cap-hit, so it's a risky contract..

I mean they should have structured the contract like this:

Year 1: $4,000,000
Year 2: $6,000,000
Year 3: $8,825,000
3 year AAV: $6,275,000

That way it gives Kovalchuk incentive to play his contract out and not just split or "retire" if things don't work... And yes I'm questioning his character.

The most I would offer Kovalchuk if I was a GM is a 1-year deal, and I'm sure many GM's that were interested were only offering 1 or 2-year deals - taking it year by year would be the responsible thing to do with a 35+ contract with a Russian that's split once before...

I mean if he plays out his contract and puts up 60-70 points a season this could turn out to be a good deal but as of now it's a really risky move by LA...
Forum: Armchair-GM27 juin 2018 à 20 h 47
Sujet: Karlsson to Colorado solves problems trade and tank
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xspyrit</b></div><div>No team is going to trade for Karlsson if they can't sign him to an extension.

Ryan is not overpaid at 50%. Even last year where he was dealing with injuries, he had a 0.53 PPG (similar as Kerfoot, Lindholm, Riley Nash, Bozak, Ferland, Wennberg, Little,etc), which puts him 154th in forward scoring, aka close to mid 2nd line scoring paces. 3.625 is an average NHL salary, probably below average if you look at NHL forwards on UFA years. Just a few months before, Ryan had 15 pts in 19 playoffs games and was Sens 2nd MVP to Erik Karlsson

Ryan has been injury prone the last 2 years but that deal is not worth it for them because they'd be paying 3.625 x 4 years to not have him on the team PLUS pay a player that can replace him. They already dealt Brassard and were forced to trade Hoffman. They currently only have Stone, Duchene, Boedker and Dzingel (maybe Pageau too) who can provide offense at over a 0.50 PPG. They are already counting on 2 of Tkachuk, Brown, Batherson, White, Chlapik and/or Formenton to produce offense. If they trade Ryan, then you need another young guy to succeed right away, which defies the odds.

Concerning Montreal, again, they will not trade for Duchene if they can't get him under extension. And the price would have to be much more enticing than that.



Yeah but you're omitting one detail : Hossa doesn't play. So Ottawa pays Ryan 3.625 M$ per year for 4 years to NOT play for them and they would have to play someone capable of replacing him. Ryan is overpaid but he is not a pure cap dump. Forget things you've read, fans don't really understand this whole cap dump thing. I doubt Ottawa could find a more efficient forward for under 3.625 per year on the UFA market...

They won't have any problem reaching the cap floor. Clarke MacArthur for example will be on LTIR with a 4.65 cap hit. His contract is insured at 80% though, which will cost under 1 M$ in real dollars.

They'd be better trading Ryan for Loui Eriksson for example. He also has 4 years left but his cap hit is 6.0 but his salary is declining (20 M$ owed vs 30 M$ for Ryan)

Sens save a total of 10 M$ in 4 years. Canucks get a player 2 years younger, more capable to provide offense at this point and they don't worry about the cap for a few years.

So yeah, you won't be able to trade Ryan without retention for picks and prospects, like any player that is considered significantly overpaid but he's not a cap dump in that sense.

You can be sure that worse players will get a bigger cap hit than Ryan come July 1st and for maybe longer term. Pretty sure a few GMs that have cap space would gladly sign Ryan at 3.625 M$ x 4 years. If he can stay healthy, then the contract becomes a bargain.

Maybe that would work with less retention but 3.625 M$ per year is not attractive for Ottawa because of the replacement cost. Let's say you are lucky enough to find a guy that can provide the same stuff for 3M$ a year, in the end you save less than a million a year.</div></div>

I'm not omitting anything - the fact Hossa cant play is irrelevant in this deal (someone gets bumped up and the Sens bring in a prospect from the system) - this is a financial and salary cap deal.....

The Hawks send Hossa to the Sens for Ryan at 50% retained....

In short Ottawa gets an 8.9 million cap hit for 3.625 in real salary and they also rid themselves of half of Ryan's contract.

The purpose or reasoning of this deal goes right over peoples heads -- Ottawa gets a large cap hit for a fraction of the salary.. Ottawa has to hit the cap floor but they're still trying to dump Ryan's contract - Melnyk/Dorion can do BOTH in this deal - it's the best of both worlds for Ottawa..... And the Hawks get a #2 LW at a reasonable salary and cap hit... Both teams get exactly what they want and NEED...

Of course Ottawa could just trade Bobby Ryan at full price and cap hit with a significant asset(s) to another team which will insist on sending SOME salary back the other way........Either way Melnyk has no interest in paying Bobby Ryan 7.5 million a season for the next 4 years....

I mean do you understand now?

Ottawa gets $8,900,000 cap hit for $3,625,000 in actual real salary cash money... For a team that needs to hit the cap floor you can't get a better deal than that..

Sorry, but in a salary cap era not every trade is a "hockey trade" there are plenty of trades made for financial reasons and cap reasons.....

Look at Bryan Bickell traded to Carolina with Teuvo Teravainen for a 2nd &amp; 3rd round pick(s) -- That was a cap trade and Teravainen is a stud now and he was a top prospect when he was traded....

That is just one example of many.

Hope you understand the point now - from both teams perspectives.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 juin 2018 à 23 h 32
Sujet: Karlsson to Colorado solves problems trade and tank
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>orignalsix</b></div><div>I'm an Ottawa fan but I have never seen such a one sided deal for EK. He's a one year rental . Even signed he's north worth that. Still don't the rules of LTIR. Why is Hossa traded and in this case Ryan is still overpaid at 50% retention. Montreal will be finishing out of the playoffs for maybe years. No reason to give a two rounders and more for a one year rental.</div></div>

The Hossa deal makes sense, because his salary is 1M (insured, so it costs Melnyk nothing) and Bobby Ryan's salary is 7.5 million (cap hit of 7.25) with Ryan 50% retained the Sens walk away with a 3.625 cash savings and Hossa's cap hit of 5.275 (for the next 3 years) + the other 3.625 of (50% of Ryan's cap) = 8.9 million cap hit.

Basically that Bobby Ryan deal would give Ottawa an 8.9 million cap hit for $3.625 million in salary..... Ottawa needs to hit the cap floor which is 58.8 million this season, and they're not close even close yet - and it's known that Ottawa isn't even done dumping salary....... This is a good deal for Ottawa from a cap/financial perspective .... Bobby Ryan or all intents and purposes is a "cap dump" and if you want to trade him with his 7.5 million dollar contract for the next 4 years you're going to have to add assets to do it - or at the very least take a decent amount of salary back in a trade...

This trade works for both teams..... Melnyk/Dorion is trying to shed salary, the Hawks need a left winger..... The Hawks get their winger and Melnyk saves $3.625 on Ryan's salary and while he obtains an 8.9 million dollar cap hit in the process to get to the cap floor for only $3.625 million.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 juin 2018 à 16 h 26
Sujet: WE ARE NOT GETTING PANARIN SO STOP
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ldubs572</b></div><div>We don't have the money. And yes, say we do with Hossa's contract being traded and the cap being raised. The Hawks won't handcuff themselves in another big contract.</div></div>

Hossa's contract doesn't need to be traded.... Bowman is free to spend Hossa's cap hit regardless if he's traded or not. But I do think he will be traded because quite a few teams will want that contract to save cash money and/or hit the cap floor.

I agree the first and foremost priority of Bowman should be to make sure he has cap space to get Schmaltz and DeBrincat bridge deals or get them signed long-term... But if the Hawks can afford JvR, they could afford Panarin...

Then again if the Hawks draft Tkachuk or Wahlstrom - Panarin would be redundant, however presently the Hawks need a legitimate top 6 LW so... It would be nice to get JvR on a 3-year 6M deal (until Wahlstrom or Tkachuk are ready to step in) but I doubt he would sign for that term.... I'm sure JvR would sign a 3-year deal for 7 or 7.5 but that is just too much and the Hawks have too many holes to fill to spend that on JvR for 3 years...

Neal or Perron? maybe - they'll sign 3-year deals given their age but are they really worth it and can the Hawks beat out the competition?

Rick Nash seems to be a real option..... It looks like Boston is chasing Kovalchuk, and IMO - I think Nash could be one of the last of the major UFA wingers (JvR, Kovalchuk, Perron, Neal etc) to sign with a team..

Of course Vanek is always an option, he's still putting up .50 ppg numbers and he could be signed for cheap (1-year 1M)..

Either way, the Hawks need some scoring depth on the left wing and ideally a legitimate top 6 LW.

IMO, trading Hossa to Ottawa for Ryan (50% retained 3.75M per) would be ideal for both Ottawa and the Hawks, Ottawa is desperate to dump Ryan's contract, and with Hossa only making 1M (insured) and Ryan making 7.5 per, Ottawa still ends up saving 3.75M in real cash on that contract... It's a lot better than Ottawa having to add an asset to Ryan's contract as incentive for a team to take it on...... Not only that but I would toss Duclair in the deal too..... Just saying that is one creative way to acquire a 2nd line LW... And Ryan at 3.75M per for the next 4 years is perfect because Wahlstrom or Tkachuk will need a couple of years to develop and I guess both are committed to college so the timeline there works out pretty well, and you could always bump Ryan to the 3rd line if Wahlstrom or Tkachuk is ready before that...

Saad-Toews-DeBrincat
Ryan-Schmaltz-Kane

Looks like a pretty good top 6 to me.
Forum: NHL22 juin 2018 à 12 h 33
Sujet: Kovalchuk As A 35+ UFA
I have no idea where to put this discussion but if a mod has a better idea, go ahead and move it where it belongs.

Anyway, it seems the hype around Kovalchuk is reaching outrageous levels... He's a 35-years-old hence he will be a 35+ contract which means the team signing him will carry his cap hit no matter what happens. Kovalchuk has a history of reneging on contracts (at least with New Jersey) but it appears there are at least 10 teams "in on him" and rumors have it that Kovalchuk wants a 3-year deal worth upwards of 7 per a season, and to be honest this is reaching hysteria and any GM that signs him will regret it immediately... I just read via Eklund (so it can be taken with a grain of salt, but none the less) that Toronto is prepared to "go BIG" for one year of Kovalchuk if negotiations with other teams fall through.... When I hear "go BIG" that means a 1-year $10,000,000 deal.......

Are GM's out of their mind? are they really that competitive among themselves that they're willing to screw up their cap situation just to "win" Kovalchuk?.... Sure I could see this type of hype for Tavares or Karlsson and to a lesser extent Carlsson, but Kovalchuk??? c'mon...

Kovalchuk deserves nothing more than a 1-year deal (he has to prove he can still play in the NHL), if I was a GM a 2-year deal would be possible at a reduced salary per season but 3-years would be totally out of the question, but it appears there are some GM's out there considering giving him a 3-year-deal and there is something wrong there - especially with his 3-year-deal demand...... Kovalchuk damn well know's GM's will figure out really quick he's not worth what they're getting in him but he wants to get paid like he's 30-years-old regardless, and that speaks volumes to his character and intent - his demands alone are disingenuous right off the bat..

With that said, I wouldn't be shocked to see a GM give Kovalchuk a 3-year $7,500,000 per contract (22.5M total), Kovalchuk plays 1 season, puts up 45 points, realizes he's not NHL material and he could get "paid" In Russia (again) then splits back to Russia leaving the team that signed him with a 7.5M cap hit for 2 more seasons.. That or Kovalchuk stays and his contact becomes cancer like Bobby Ryan's contract.....

I suppose my point is I really think GM's are treating Kovalchuk like the 30-year-old Kovalchuk and not the 35+ Kovalchuk he is and the 35+ contract he will be signing...

If GM's were smart, they would offer him $5,000,000 1-year contract or perhaps a 2 year contract with a catch - year 1 pays $2,000,000 but year 2 pays $8,000,000 just to make sure he doesn't split back to the KHL after playing 1 year.... Because those 35+ contracts are tricky - no matter what happens the team that signs him (or trades for him) will be stuck with the cap hit and I would say there is a 50/50 chance that if Kovalchuk signs a 3-year-deal - he won't play it out......

Besides, we all know he's coming back to the NHL for the $$$$$ regardless of what he says..... 80% for the money 20% to pad his stats.

Those are just my thoughts on this Kovalchuk madness. I figured there would be a few teams out there kicking tires on him but I didn't foresee him being a premiere UFA at the age of 35 (and GM's knowing he will be on a 35+ contract), especially when Tavares and Carlson are UFA's and Erik Karlsson is on the market....

I mean a free player is a free player and with the cap going most teams in the NHL could afford him, but that doesn't mean signing him isn't a MAJOR risk.....

I hope I'm wrong and he comes back and puts up 70+ points but I don't see that, I see him taking the most lucrative contract he can get regardless of what team it is, it will probably be a bottom feeder, he will put up 45 points, then say "screw this I'm done", he retires - the team that signed him will be stuck with a 7.5M cap hit for 2 more seasons and of course Kovalchuk really doesn't care because he's getting paid more in Russia...

As a Blackhawks fan, I would have no issue with Bowman giving him a 1-year deal for $5,500,000 playing LW along side Schmaltz &amp; Kane, but I wouldn't go a penny or a year more - but I know some GM will and I know they will regret their decision before the season even starts..

Just my .02cents on this Kovalchuk madness.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 juin 2018 à 3 h 26
Sujet: Patches, Faulk...welcome to chicago
Sorry but no to all of this........

Duclair is done as a Hawk, he's not even worth $1,200,000 and that's what it would take to qualify him let alone give him a raise......Hawks should trade is RFA rights to whomever wants them....

Heck, trade Duclair's RFA rights to Carolina for Trevor van Riemsdyk's RFA rights, besides Trevor would be cheaper anyway and far more useful to the Hawks than Anthony "I cant finish" Duclair..

No way would I trade Saad for Patches, let alone including pick 27 in the deal unless Montreal is sending the 3rd overall pick back to Chicago in the deal..... Saad is SUPERIOR to Patches as it is - not to mention Saad is like 5 years younger to boot..

No, no, no on all of this.....

I gotta stop reading this stuff before I have a stroke.
Forum: NHL21 juin 2018 à 20 h 45
Sujet: Cap Dump Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DragonRaptorHybrid</b></div><div>I mean, yes, that's correct. Dave Bolland's contract was the same way (ish; it's not stupidly backdiving, but the Coyotes only pay out 20% of his salary, or $1.1 M, and insurance covers the rest).

my point was "pick a different team." the Senators seem like a real good target for that sort of trade nowadays.</div></div>

Look man, this is nothing more than hypothetical's from my mind....

I do have a good one for Ottawa.

Hossa, Duclair, Forsling &amp; 27th overall for Bobby Ryan (2,000,000 retained) &amp; 4th overall pick.

That would save Ottawa 5.250 million on the Bobby Ryan contract (that still has 4 years left).....

Ottawa basically trades the Hawks 4th overall for $5,000,000 a season for 4 seasons, 27th overall pick, Duclair &amp; Forsling...

Some think that is robbery by the Hawks but it really isn't ...... Melnyk isn't going to be able to move the Ryan contract without another team sending significant salary back and that kinda contradicts the whole point of trading him - not to mention he's really a cap dump, so.... I mean there is no way Dorion/Melnyk could save 5M a season on the Ryan contract dealing with another team... Of course for that favor they're going to have to drop 23 spots in the draft - but at least they're still picking in the first round of a deep draft - not only that but they're also getting Duclair and Forsling who are young, cost controlled, have potential and NHL experience... Forsling could seriously be a top 4 and if Duclair get his sh*t straight he could be a top 6 forward - I mean he's pretty talented he just has trouble "finishing".. He does everything right except hit the back of the net, if Duclair can start doing that then he'd certainly be a top 6.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 juin 2018 à 19 h 24
Sujet: Back on track, 2019 SC Champions
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockeyplayer1</b></div><div>It was less than 6 months. Bowman never gets Saad back if he doesn't win the Panarin sweepstakes. He would have had no assets to trade to get Saad. This logic is flawed.

Forsling isn't even involved in the CAR trade? Svedberg is an UFA? They are trading their top RHD. They'd probably like to fill a spot on their right side after that since the only ones in their entire system are Pesce and TVR.

You can have your opinion on the Faulk-Darling trade but its not the same as the Bickell-TT trade. The Blackhawks literally HAD to trade away cap to ice a full team that year. CAR has no cap constraints so they are not trading from a place of helplessness.</div></div>

Your logic is flawed, you're trying to imply Bowman signed Panarin just to trade him to get Saad back....... Panarin was signed before Saad was traded for Anisimov +, then Panarin signed a 2 year 6 per extension, then that summer Bowman moved Panarin for Saad+....

Those were cap moves, Saad is signed until 2021, meanwhile Panarin will be a UFA next summer...

What Bowman is doing is getting his cards in order, which is why he has cap space now..

Now Bowman can make a run at Panarin next summer as a UFA and basically laugh how he got Saad for free.....

As far as Forsling.

Forsling is a LHD, the Hawks are loaded with RHD.....Seabrook, Murphy, Rutta, Hillman &amp; Jokiharju are all RHD.... So I don't know what your point is with that.... LHD are a dime a dozen.

Forsling has top 4 potential, he would be good trade bait.... I like the guy but if he can sweeten a deal to improve the Hawks I'm open to moving him. The Hawks aren't "rebuilding" they're retooling at the very best...

The Hawks need a legitimate RHD..... Faulk fits that need.

Keith-Faulk
Moore (UFA)-Seabrook
Osterle-Murphy
Gustafsson-Hillman

That looks good to me..

I'm a Hawks fan dude, I have been one for 35 years, I know what the Hawks needs are and I know how Bowman's mind works........ Yes, Bowman will be very interested in bringing back Panarin and Bowman will be very interested in working a deal for Faulk and Darling...

Geez.
Forum: NHL21 juin 2018 à 19 h 6
Sujet: Cap Dump Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DoctorBreakfast</b></div><div>Wow, what a salesman. You make it sound like Arizona is committing highway robbery. If Hossa's contract isn't hurting the Hawks, why not keep him and your supposed top 4 defenseman in Forsling and the nice 2nd round pick rather than trade for the guy with only one year left? Is Bowman just doing this out of the goodness of his heart?</div></div>

I'm fine with keeping Hossa, because his contract doesn't matter.... The Hawks can spend that 5.275, however his contract would be an asset to a team that needs to hit the cap floor or any team floating around it......Not only because of the 5.275 cap hit but because his salary is only 1 million which allows a budget team to save 4.275 in real cash money... With all that said Hossa's contract has value. How much value? I don't know but it has value - especially since it runs another 3 years...
Forum: NHL21 juin 2018 à 19 h 2
Forum: NHL21 juin 2018 à 18 h 58
Sujet: Cap Dump Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>The_Architect</b></div><div>The Hawks can get a replacement for Hossa as long as that replacement doesn't cost more than 5.275?</div></div>

The Hawks have an extra 5.275 in cap space to spend this summer because Hossa will be placed on LTIR on the first day of the regular season, hence bringing the Hawks 5.275 under the cap...... This summer Hossa "technically" counts against the cap but Bowman can go 10% over the cap so...

Officially the Hawks have $9,225,705 in cap space w/18 players signed. Bowman (GM's with LTIR contracts) can go 10% over the salary cap this summer, so the Hawks have $14,500,000 in cap space to play with this summer..... To sign 7 players...

The Blackhawks will have enough space to make significant improvements.

They'll be contenders going into 2018-19 season........ This is the most cap space the Hawks have had since forever...
Forum: Armchair-GM20 juin 2018 à 13 h 23
Sujet: WE ARE NOT GETTING PANARIN SO STOP
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MikeyVC97</b></div><div>Pretty sure that Bowman would get fired if he just rolled out the same roster as last year and made not 1 "big" move this offseason. I do agree that Panarin is not that move and Bowman was smart to trade him last year because I think ultimately he is going to ask for a fortune after this year that will probably be close to $9 mil per.

3 things the Hawks will do this offseason
1. trade Hossa's contract
2. Sign a significant Free Agent
3. Trade one or multiple of these players (Saad, Anisimov, Murphy)</div></div>

Bowman isn't trading the Hossa contract unless it's for an asset because he doesn't need to, Hossa's cap hit can be spent this summer..

I agree Anisimov or perhaps Murphy will be traded (or both) but I don't see Saad traded unless it's for another top 10 pick or in a deal that moves the Hawks up into the top 5 and then some...

As far as Panarin, he will be back...... Probably not at the draft (I wouldn't be shocked if he was traded back to the Hawks at the draft tho) but he will be back at some point between now and July 1st of 2019 if he doesn't sign an extension with Columbus... Heck, he may be back at the trade deadline (if he doesn't sign an extension with Columbus)..

And this isn't wishful thinking on my part....... I have a feeling it was Bowman's plan all along to bring Panarin back, same goes for Saad when he traded Saad the first time.
Forum: Armchair-GM20 juin 2018 à 13 h 17
Sujet: WE ARE NOT GETTING PANARIN SO STOP
<strong>Funny, I heard the exact same BS when Saad was traded and I insisted he would be back.</strong>

Panarin WILL BE BACK..

Do you really think Bowman just traded Saad for Panarin without giving himself a good chance to bring Panarin back??...... Bowman is a very mathical GM.... Bowman made that trade damn well knowing Panarin would be a UFA in the summer of 2019, with the possibility of bringing him back at this upcoming seasons TDL, if not signing him next summer..... The fact Panarin doesn't want to talk about extensions right now speaks volumes....

I would bet anything that when Bowman traded Panarin he told him he planned to bring him back as a UFA in the summer of 2019..... It's obvious Bowman didn't want to trade Panarin in the first place but he did so for cap reasons - because Saad was signed much longer and the Hawks would be in a better cap position in the summer of 2019 (which they will be).... Like I said Bowman is a very mathical GM.......

And the best part of all of this is that Bowman is KNOWN for bringing back his "cap casualties"..... Panarin is only 26 (will be 27 next summer) so it's not like the kid will be "over the hill".. Bringing Panarin back would be wise.
Forum: Armchair-GM20 juin 2018 à 13 h 3
Sujet: Back on track, 2019 SC Champions
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockeyplayer1</b></div><div>A+ troll work here

The CAR trade might be possible if there was no retained salary. Svedberg is worthless. I doubt CAR sees value in Jurco. Hossa's contract is not valueable to them unless they truly anticipate spending below the floor. Even then its not like they'd pay for the contract.
Why not just add Rutta or Murphy to a CAR trade? The Hawks don't need 5 RHD on the roster next season.

Panarin is not coming back to Chicago. All he said was he didn't want to discuss extensions at this time. And yes he is for sure waiting to see what Tavares and other UFA get this summer. He will have way more leverage when talking extensions when he sees what the market is willing to pay.
Panarin could have gotten more on his last contract if Bowman had traded his rights to someone instead of signing him. I doubt Panarin and his agent were happy about the sign and trade.
Columbus isn't giving up Panarin for that return. There are plenty of teams that would pay twice that for Panarin.</div></div>

First off all Bowman signed Panarin to the 2 year extension ONE YEAR PRIOR to trading him, second - the second Bowman traded Panarin for Saad I knew Panarin would be back just like Saad would be coming back when Bowman traded him for Anisimov &amp; Dano and the other junk...

There was no reason for Bowman to make that trade if Bowman didn't anticipate bringing Panarin back...

The Carolina trade works fine..... You want Murphy? FINE... IDK why Carolina would want more defenseman tho, Forsling is a top 4 project and Svedberg is good for the AHL.....

Let's not forget that Darling is a cap dump......... The package Carolina fans want for Faulk &amp; Darling is basically the same package Dorion was basically sending Karlsson &amp; Ryan to Vegas for...... In what universe is Is Faulk and Darling worth that??

Faulk and Darling at full price is worth the 27th overall pick at best..... Sure, you may be able to get a little more for Faulk on his own but that leaves Carolina stuck with Darling and in order to move that contract they would have to include TT...

This deal is no different from the Bickell &amp; TT for a 2nd &amp; 3rd round picks -- very similar situation.... Heck, based on that Faulk &amp; Darling are only worth a 2nd &amp; 3rd round picks as a package....

The best part is that Chicago is the ONLY team that would even consider taking Darling back.... So if Carolina wants him gone then that is their only option.... That or send him to the AHL where they will only get 800k in cap relief.....

So if Carolina wants to get more for Faulk then they're stuck with Darling but if they want to get rid of Darling they're going to have to take less on Faulk, and I wouldn't take Darling back for anything less than 25% retention.