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Forum: Armchair-GM8 déc. 2021 à 19 h 39
Sujet: Jacob Trouba is on one this season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>Healthy convo here and we've had these before.

To me the "head up" is less about Khaira's awareness. He very clearly wasn't paying attention to his surroundings and his own well being. That's not the point though. To me, It's that while his eye and focus were downward. His head was actually up. So if your head is up....It's just a high hit. Trouba's not a bad guy. He doesn't deserve Tom Wilson treatment. It's just that imo (to which I 100% respect yours) he needs ANOTHER reminder that these hits aren't allowable. He sent someone to the hospital because he hit another guy high.</div></div>

Respectfully, I get that he sent someone to the hospital, it’s tragic and I wish nothing but a speedy recovery for khaira. But we can’t act like injuries happen only from dirty hits. However, I still believe I’ve seen much worse. Just my opinion, but I finally watched the spezza one when you mentioned it. That was straight up pathetic. He dove into that kneeing incident. Trouba very clearly had him lined up and expecting to be square to him with his head up. Spezza just said “yeet” and paid the consequences later.
Forum: Armchair-GM8 déc. 2021 à 19 h 28
Sujet: Jacob Trouba is on one this season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>I mean this isn't what happened at all though. It was a bang bang play sure, but when the hit was layed...Khaira's head was up and looking directly at Trouba. The reason the hit was even to Khaira's head was because Trouba's hit was rising. If Trouba didn't raise the hit...it would have been to the chest. NONE of this was intentional. I get that, but it's on the guy doing the hitting to do it right. He didn't and he has a history.

Spezza just got 6 games with ZERO suspension history in 1200+ games...and this one's worse.</div></div>

Okay, I had to go back and watch it AGAIN, before I responded. I just don’t agree honestly. Khaira’s head wasn’t up to the point that he knew what was coming. I truly believe trouba was going for chest and if khaira woulda had his head up that’s what would have happened. I do agree that it isn’t about the intention and that it’s about the act. Either way, trouba is playing tonight for the rangers and I do endorse it. It wasn’t from the blindside, boarding, behind, etc. so I don’t have much to rib the guy for. It was an open ice hit, and I got flashbacks to the Campbell on umberger hit in this one. I’ve been hit like this plenty of times too, but I never blamed the other player for it.

As for constant improvement, what exactly are the areas that you’re talking about? Trouba fought stillman and “justice” (I guess) was done? I phrase it as a question because stillman didn’t exactly fight but more grapple him. There’s that came out of this that I’d change though. Big open ice hit, fight that followed, finished.
Forum: Armchair-GM8 déc. 2021 à 12 h 54
Sujet: Jacob Trouba is on one this season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>anelson115</b></div><div>Most of us took at least one hit like this as a kid. That's how you learn to keep your head up...

Based on the speed of the play, there was no way to avoid the hit. Trouba committed, planted his feet (i.e., no charging or leaving his feet), and lowered his shoulder square up to Khaira. It's unfortunate that the pass was in his feet, but there was no targeting of the head and Trouba did not raise his arms and bring his elbows up. I hope the guy is okay, but I don't think it warrants a suspension (or fine, for that matter) - it didn't even warrant a penalty.</div></div>

Agreed on all counts. I actually remember taking a shot high when I was 19 playing in college and my head was down. Now granted I wasn’t injured thank the heavens above, but the guy was in penalized on the play. I remember getting up and thinking, “why did he get a penalty?” I honestly thought it was my fault. He had me lined up and I never looked up nor did he through a hand or elbow in my face, it was all shoulder.
Forum: Armchair-GM8 déc. 2021 à 11 h 15
Sujet: Jacob Trouba is on one this season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>On one what? On a one game suspension for yesterday's hit on Khaira? Should be longer imo.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>anelson115</b></div><div>I disagree. Hitting is part of the game. Not all big hits are dirty, just like not all dirty hits are big. If we react as you suggest to all such hits, we may as well just make the game non-checking.

No one wants to see anybody get hurt, but open ice hits are still a necessary and valuable part of the game.</div></div>

If they suspend him, which I think they might, I’m gonna be really disappointed. Trouba had no intention to go to the head and his posture was perfect for shoulder to chest. Khaira never picked up his head, plain and simple. Many hawks fans will argue he should have avoided the hit then, but those fans never played hockey to know you can’t avoid a hit when you’re committed at that point. Don’t punish trouba for khaira doing what you’re taught not to do as a kid.
Forum: Armchair-GM26 oct. 2021 à 17 h 34
Sujet: Move on but never forget
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>I don't necessarily agree with whether they knew given they were only 21 and hardly one of the 'good ole boys' yet. Even if it was mentioned in the locker room, so much BS is spread in locker rooms, bullying, hazing, etc. generally the youngest players aren't ring leaders and don't know what is or isn't true. Often times players, especially young ones, tune out. Again, hard to say what is accurate at this point factually and what isn't other then Quenneville, Bowman and others factually knew and did wrong 1000% and should be held accountable.</div></div>

In a way, though, given they were the youngest team in the league at the time and toews was even the captain, I do they were firmly in the “good ole’ boys” category. 😔
Forum: Chicago Blackhawks26 oct. 2021 à 17 h 32
Sujet: Gutted and Done
I just wanna say off the top that I have loved the discussions that I’ve had with hawks fans on this site. It has been trying times in Chicago for awhile and everyone has given their two cents on solutions, but try as we must, our ideas never line up with the logic this messed up front office chose. Unfortunately, those choices are going to be felt and paid for the better part of the next decade.

Off the ice, though, today changed everything. People were finally held accountable for the disgraceful actions that were swept under the rug for 11 years. Bowman, McIssac, and others are all rightfully gone. However, the organization, the NHL, the NHLPA, and hockey in general will never be the same. Integrity was completely ignored for the sake of success. The dynasty is forever tainted. In all honesty, the relief and pride I felt in the report finally coming out eventually turned to more pain and misery. I’ve loved this team for so long and never felt “ashamed” of them like this. They’ve gutted me to my core.

As such, I again thank all of you hawks fans for such a great open discussion about where we need to go in the future. However, I’m done with this team. My fandom can’t take the depths with which they have sunk. Many will say and organization is bigger than a few people, but this proved that logic wrong. This was all about protecting a few to save the whole. I’m sorry if this pisses anyone off, and even more if no one even cares, but just wanted to thank you all for the good times. Take care and save me a Guinness by the fire. Cheers.
Forum: Armchair-GM26 oct. 2021 à 16 h 38
Sujet: Move on but never forget
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>I agree the Hawks need to move on from Toews and Kane for the sake of the team, the sake of those two careers, and just pure optics. It's unfortunate since they were only 21 years old at the time, but the time is now to move them if they are going to move them. Start fresh across the board...call it collateral damage I guess not that they should have any accountability.</div></div>

Thing that sucks about it is that in the past when I teased this idea, it was mainly anger with results. This time, it’s purely to rid the organization of anything related to 2010! I’m not saying toews or Kane are bad people or enabled anything, but I certainly believe they probably knew about the incident.
Forum: Mock-Draft25 oct. 2021 à 22 h 44
Sujet: Mock
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sharkie0884</b></div><div>Why does Dach drop? He’s been pretty consistent and he might be the best player from the draft <strong>so far</strong>. Also why do Heinola, Boldy, and Cozens fall. Cozens has also been pretty good but he plays on a horrible team.</div></div>

I’d say it has more to do with his low offensive output over a small sample size mixed with his missing almost all of last year. He’s been good defensively but he’s still gotta grow into his offensive game. Problem is, when Kane is gone, that’s gonna be a challenge. Also, Dach really makes things difficult on himself. He tries to get too fancy and even though he’s 6’4”, he plays like he’s 5’9”, never defending himself and always being in vulnerable positions.