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Armchair-GM
Hier à 0 h 21
Sujet:
Oh hell yeah
Just confused - why would it cost the Islanders a first to turn Lee/Cizikas/Wahlstrom into Dvorak (worse value than Cizikas) & Justin Barron, but then the Habs can turn around and turn Wahlstrom & Lee (with retention) into a jump from #27OA to #11OA?
Based on your logic, couldn't the Isles just eat the cap on Lee's deal, staple Wahlstrom and #18OA to him, and move up to #8/9OA? Then they'd still have Cizikas instead of Dvorak - I don't think Barron is bad value, but as of now the Isles have Dobson/Pulock/Mayfield under contract on the right side and he doesn't really fit - so I can't see Lamoriello valuing him incredibly highly.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 0 h 15
Sujet:
Rossi and who I would draft
Hate to step into the middle of this one, but I'd argue it's a moot point because the Isles aren't stapling #18OA to Pageau just to move him. His buyout isn't crippling, and if they want to avoid that I think they can do fine trading him with retention and get back a mid-rounder. The buyout is $2.75M/$2.25M in the first 2 seasons; full retention is $2.5M/$2.5M.
Harris and Evans don't do a lot for the Isles - I feel like it's very likely that they could re-sign Mike Reilly for a similar cap hit to Harris, and even with moving Pageau, the Isles have Horvat-Nelson-Cizikas-MacLean down the middle with Barzal, Iskhakov, and others also capable of taking faceoffs if necessary.
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Armchair-GM
Hier à 0 h 9
Sujet:
Slow Burn Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MMXD</b></div><div>Like your thought proccess but damn, Dumba, Perron, Wedgewood all worry me, and the Pesce deal could end up awful given the injury history. I love the Byfield and Spence idea tho</div></div>
Dumba & Perron are just here for the year in my eyes - in a perfect world, Easton Cowan is NHL-ready and slides into the top 6 for 2025-26, and Topi Niemela is ready to take over RD2 at the same time. If they play up to their past potential, you're still a playoff team in my eyes. Pesce's injury was a blocked shot I thought? He's been reliable enough through his career that I wouldn't be terribly scared off.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Coffeefish</b></div><div>Seattle passes. We already have Schultz’s replacement in Ryker Evans, and if Dunn hadn’t been injured it looks like Schultz might have been traded at the deadline</div></div>
Thought Evans was an LHD that would eventually supplant Dumoulin - does Hakstol play defenders on their offhand a lot? With Lilly, I think he's fairly valued here - if it's not Seattle, I feel like someone else will be fine giving up a 2nd rounder or a B+ prospect for him.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>The Kings aren't going to trade Byfield for Marner, even if Toronto adds their 1st round pick to the deal.</div></div>
I struggled trying to figure out where to trade Marner. His NMC means he's not going to any rebuilding team, so goodbye Utah/Anaheim/Chicago/Montreal/Buffalo/San Jose/Columbus and most teams with cap space next year. I feel like if I'm the Leafs, I want to get him out of division - so even though Carolina and Boston have cap space next year, they're no good. So if it's gotta be the Western Conference, and it's gotta be a contender, it's down to uhhhh...the Kings, and I dunno, Nashville? St. Louis? Out of that group, LA feels like the most likely city that Marner waives for, and the city that he feels most likely to extend with, and Byfield feels like the piece I'd target if I was trading a point per game Selke finalist. Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet and all that, ya know?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dh91</b></div><div>There's a lot wrong with this, I'll just state the obvious though: LA declines, they aren't trading Byfield, and Byfield gets a lot more than 2 mil
Most of those signings are straight up awful too</div></div>
Just copied the last number on Byfield when I did his RFA deal - with nearly $8M in cap space on this roster, there's more than enough cash to give him either a $4Mish bridge deal or an 8x$8M extension - not too stressed about his number there. What's your thinking on the other signings there? Perron is still productive enough that he could get a 2 or 3 year deal at $3-4M, so I give him a little more to get shorter term; Dumba is a reclamation project but I can't picture him taking much more of a pay cut than this; a solid 1B goalie (whether it's Wedgewood or Kevin Lankinen or whomever you want) is gonna cost in the $2M range. Pesce might be a little heavy at $7M but I'd put that at the ceiling of what I'd want to pay to make sure I'm only attached to him through his age-35 season.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 19 h 26
Sujet:
A New Plan Based On Chemistry And Unity
I would take that Isles trade which makes me think you're severely undervaluing Marner here.
I also get what you're going for here, but I think you're still way too top-heavy. You have Ryan Reaves & Chris Tierney playing every night on the 4th line, and with a 20 man roster, you're putting a lot of faith in some guys with heavy miles on them staying healthy. Tanev's 34, Marchessault's 33, Pageau, Schwartz, & Oleksiak are 31, and while Pulock is only 30 on Opening Night, he's missed 20+ games with injury in 2 of the past 3 seasons.
I think there's a middle ground where you maybe send out Marner for some solid if not spectacular roster pieces and pass on Tanev and Marchessault - treat 2024-25 as more of a transitional year where you try and retool instead of trying to rebuild a ship that's currently sinking (to mix some metaphors.) Sign an RD2 like Dumba for $2-3M, let Schwartz be LW2 and sign a 3rd liner for $2-3M, keep some cash in reserve to add at the deadline if the guys put everything together. Then next summer you're losing JT's $11M and hopefully seeing another small bump in that cap - NOW you do the full overhaul.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 19 h 19
Sujet:
Move JT
First off: you wanted him Leafs fans, he's yours now. Isles aren't adding this much cap space ($3.25M) and giving up their 1B goalie for what amounts to a slightly better player on their second line.
As far as the second trade - why would you pay Jason Zucker $2.5M when you could keep McMann at $1.35M there? They scored at basically the same PPG rate last year (Zucker was 0.46, McMann was 0.43) and McMann actually outscored Zucker with 15 goals in 51 GP vs 14 in 69 for JZ.
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Armchair-GM
Hier à 19 h 13
Sujet:
Break up the Golf 4 or continue to lose
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>draft_em_sign_em_trade_em</b></div><div>Now back to my Spaceballs movie.
Merchandising.
Core 5 stay together and make the team millions in sells.</div></div>
MOICHANDIZING!
Maple Leafs: The Coloring Book! Maple Leafs: The Lunchbox! Maple Leafs - The Flamethrower (the kids love this one)! And last but not least, Maple Leafs the Doll - a plush Brian Burke that threatens you to fight behind a Maple Leafs-themed barn.
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Armchair-GM
Hier à 19 h 7
Sujet:
Contenders
Honestly, I couldn't see the Islanders taking that deal. They're giving up 7 guaranteed years of Barzal for 1 guaranteed year of Marner, not to mention giving up decent draft capital (turning #50OA this year to #119 OA and basically deferring a 3rd rounder in 2025 by a year), and all they get is a fringe-y prospect in Tverberg and a non-prospect in Ellis. Easy pass in my eyes.
I don't think Colorado can do that trade, even if they wanted to (I don't think they would.) Right now, if we assume Gabe Landeskog is LTIRetired, they have $16.9M in cap space next season with 8 F / 4 D / 2 G under contract. Dedicating $11M to one forward in Tavares means they'd have about $5.9M left to fill out 5 more lineup spots - and that's if they're fine running a 20 man roster with no healthy scratches. And if Landeskog's healthy enough to play? Well, there isn't enough cap space for JT at all.
The rest of the trades are more or less fine. I don't know if anyone would actually pay for Ryan Reaves, but I also wouldn't be surprised at someone throwing a 6th rounder out for him. I don't think Yamamoto is worth the value you're giving up for him there, and I don't know if Ottawa takes Rielly in that deal without first trading Chychrun, but the value is in a good spot. Contracts for Mountour and Hanifin are light though - I don't see why Hanifin would sign 4x$2.5M in Toronto when he could easily get $6M+ on a long term deal, and I think Montour is in the same camp.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 18 h 31
Sujet:
Gary Bettman is the Penguin from Batman
Isles trade is intriguing but I'd want to take out Palmieri & spence+the 2nd and throw in Wahlstrom and a mid-rounder instead. Palmieri is a Long Island boy with a 16 team NTC and a toddler here - I think Lou lets him ride out the contract without moving him 3,000 miles away (I'd also assume his 16 team NTC is 7 Canadian teams + the 9 furthest west teams at this point.)
I'd move it around to:
NYI gets: Kaliyev, 2024 1st (#21OA)
Kings get: Varlamov, Wahlstrom, 2024 4th(#124 OA)
I feel like we could get lost in the weeds on the picks, but I think Wahlstrom & Kaliyev cancel each other out, and Varlamov for the equivalent of al late 1st rounder would be fair. Maybe instead of the Isles sending a 4th, they send their 2nd (#50OA) and LA sends back their 4th on top of the 1st? Regardless, there's the bones of a decent deal hiding in there.
Also: Jordan Spence's profile is wild. Born in *Manly*, Australia, with dual Canadian/Japanese citizenship? There is one hell of a story there.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 18 h 25
Sujet:
SJOffseason
honestly I feel like you're doing the Oilers a huge favor there. You're taking on $8.25M next season and two more years of $5M and you're getting a likely mid-20s pick next year plus the equivalent of a mid-5th rounder (moving up from mid-4th to mid-3rd next year) - I feel like you could've taken a pound of flesh and settled for a quarter pounder instead, ya know?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 13 h 58
Sujet:
Rossi
JGP and Wahlstrom are not worth that, especially Pageau without retention.
As far as Rossi, I’d say no. I don’t think the Wild move him for #18OA; I’d also prefer the isles actually draft someone in the first round for the first time since 2019, personally.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 13 h 53
Sujet:
Shufflin Dice
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mr_Canoehead</b></div><div>I am more confident that Jets management will shop Ehlers than the Isles will shop Pulock, but I don't follow the Isles. Has there been any speculation (or rumours) among beat writers about Pulock?
Edit: Couldnt get the isles *handshake* jets logo to look right so deleted it.</div></div>
I mean, there’s never really any rumors around a Lamoriello team, so most of us just throw stuff at the wall and see what makes sense. Lou did have an interesting quote on clean out day tho: “We love loyalty. But it can’t impede progress.”
Pulock is one of the more move-able players in my eyes - still young enough to have more good years than bad left on his deal, with a reasonable cap hit. I could see him or Adam Pelech being moved out this summer, but lean Pulock because Noah Dobson and Scott Mayfield are already signed for next season, while LD only has Alex Romanov and Sam Bolduc under contract.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 10 h 53
Sujet:
Unrealistic trades
I dunno that isles trade isn’t all that unreasonable
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 10 h 22
Sujet:
1 for 1 - both players could thrive better on a new team
Don’t hate the value but in a perfect world I’d want Mike Reilly to stick around for LD3 and swap Wahlstrom for another forward (Arthur Kaliyev from LA seems to line up nicely.)
But if Reilly wants too much money, this would be a decent way to fill that LD3 hole.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 10 h 10
Sujet:
Shufflin Dice
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Robinho3799</b></div><div>I feel honored to be called that way from you :)
I'd also like to see Kaliyev to be involved in there much more than Thomas</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>As my esteemed friend Robinho3799 intimates, because Akil Thomas is right-handed and has some nice skills, he may have a place on the Kings roster next season as #4RW if Trevor Lewis finally retires. Los Angeles would probably happily substitute Arthur Kaliyev here. I think that Patrick Roy is the perfect coach to unlock Kaliyev's potential.</div></div>
I think Wahlstrom for Kaliyev is where a potential deal lands, but wanted to get the temperature on another on of the Kings’ glut of young forwards. Thanks for the input!
Forum:
Armchair-GM
jeu. à 23 h 50
Sujet:
Leafs
Isles and Leafs don't line up here. Swapping Nelson for Marner is a clear upgrade in the top 6 and on the power play, but having to include Pulock and Varlamov opens up two big holes that the Islanders don't have an answer for. Moving Pulock means you're relying on Scott Mayfield for top-4 minutes and/or using some of the $3.9M you're clearing in cap space to try and fill that hole on the RD depth chart. Moving Varlamov means you're either using some of that cap on a UFA goalie or hoping that Magnus Hogberg figured out how to be an NHL goalie playing in Europe the past couple of years.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
jeu. à 23 h 43
Sujet:
Marner to the sun
-Said upthread, but yeah, the Hawks aren't retaining for 6 years on Seth Jones for one year of Marner. You also have to consider that Marner has a full NMC and is entering a contract year - do you think he's going to approve a one year deal to a rebuilding team in advance of his new contract?
-If I'm Minnesota, this isn't getting me to move Gus. They can still run him and MAF next year with Wallstedt getting more development time in the AHL; they really have no depth elsewhere in the org (Hunter Jones put up an .890 SV% in the ECHL this year) and there's nothing here that makes me feel like Bill Guerin is gonna put himself in a position to have to backfill that depth in free agency.
-Gonna assume that the former Coyotes are on Kampf's partial NTC. I don't know how easy he is going to be to move, with that 3x$2.4M left on his contract.
-I can't imagine a team giving up a pick for a guy like Timmins - he's basically gonna sit in the press box for 2/3 of the season no matter where he goes. The best you can hope is someone flips you a similar 13th/14th forward type.
-I'd take this value for Pulock (future 1st/B+ prospect/decent replacement) but I don't know if he waives for the Leafs.
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Armchair-GM
jeu. à 23 h 24
Sujet:
random stuff
-Don't think the Sens have the cap space to add Pageau at full freight, so I don't think you get him moved this way.
-Turning 2x$7M of Lee into 1x$9M of Zuccarello doesn't make the team better to me. Lee has started to show his age, but getting a guy 3 years older doesn't really change the potential decline issue here. Plus, a lot of Zucc's value comes from being a power play setup guy for goalscorers like Kaprizov, Boldy, and JEE - 28 of his 51 assists (and 33 of his 63 overall points) came on the man advantage this season. You're either making him a redundancy by putting him on PP1 with a distributor like Barzal, or you're muting his impact by running him on PP2 with lesser finishers like Engvall & Pageau (or I guess Iskhakov on this team.)
-Giving up a 1st for Sharangovich feels like a big overpay, and that's before you add Finley & the 3rd. His goalscoring spiked this year on a hard-to-repeat 17.3% shooting number, and as good as his offensive numbers are, his defensive numbers are typically worse. Despite being basically even in CF%, the Flames were outscored 64-41 at 5v5 with him on ice this season - while part of that is bad goaltending, his lines have always bled high danger changes at a higher rate than normal chances. I think he'd just be another Pierre Engvall on this team.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
jeu. à 22 h 45
Sujet:
Getting younger
Isles need to get younger, cheaper, and better on offense. Coleman is going to be 33, has 3x$4.9M left on his deal, and he only scored 30 goals this year by nearly doubling his career shooting percentage (9.6% before this year, 15.7% this season). I could only see this deal happening if the Flames took back JG Pageau.
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Armchair-GM
mer. à 20 h 33
Sujet:
Would NYI do this
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Feelers4Ehlers</b></div><div>I rather have Pageau because he is a right shot centre. He could play right side and have Perfetti play centre. But if that doesn't work out then move Perfetti to the left side and find another RW. If there needs to be an upgrade would NYI have any interest in trading for Dobson if Connor is in play? Pulock locked in long term already and Dobson will probably want the same or more when his current contract is over.</div></div>
Connor was a 0.94 PPG player this year as a winger; Dobson was a 0.89 PPG player as defender. There would have to be much, much more value coming back to New York in that kind of trade.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Subbanator7667</b></div><div>He's a 40 point center making 5 million and is 31 years old, on a contender, he's most definitely a 4C and will be that for the rest of his career. That's not a bad thing, he's just over paid and a team taking him on has to know that's his role</div></div>
Pageau's a 3C/PK1 on nearly every team in the league; Pulock has been a 20-22 minute guy for the last 6 years on a team generally regarded to be a strong defensive squad. I think the value here is more or less even, with the Isles maybe needing to add a little more - to me, it's about two teams trading to fit needs. Winnipeg gets two strong defensive players who are not necessarily black holes offensively, while New York gets two more offensive-minded players to try and achieve their lifelong dream of scoring more than 2 goals in a playoff game.
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 20 h 22
Sujet:
time for change
let's look at this deal.
on one side, you have:
-Brock Nelson, one more year left at $6M AAV. He's scored 107 goals in the past 3 seasons, averaging a 37-34-71 line per 82 GP. He's been a good playoff performer in his career, with a 27-23-50 line in 78 career playoff games. He's generally regarded as one of the better 2Cs in the league.
on the other side, you have:
-Nick Abruzzese, a soon-to-be 25 year old with 11 career NHL games under his belt who did not manage to crack the Leafs' NHL lineup once this year;
-Calle Jarnkrok, a career 30-35 point type guy who turns 33 before Opening Night and still has 2x$2.1M left on his deal;
-Connor Timmins, a guy who has been the 7th/8th D on Toronto for the past two seasons;
-a late 4th-round pick
Would -you- take this deal if you were the one giving up the useful player?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
dim. à 18 h 55
Sujet:
My turn as Torontos President 2024 off season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>V123</b></div><div>Hey, if it’s not in the rulebook, it’s fair game. No rule against to my knowledge at least.</div></div>
The NHL announced very quickly after granting amnesty buyouts in 2013 that what you're describing here is 100% cap circumvention and is not allowed.
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 18 h 44
Sujet:
Next Season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KM87</b></div><div>The team is a placeholder. Chill bro. Could be any team.</div></div>
My question is, what team is giving up a 3rd rounder for Calle Jarnkrok at 2x$2.1M when they could just as easily save the pick and spend about the same amount of cap space on a similar UFA forward this summer? Guys like Stefan Noesen, Teddy Blueger, Kiefer Sherwood, & Jordan Martinook are all UFAs this summer, are all younger than Calle, and all profile similarly as bottom-6 forwards who can defend and score 35ish points in a season. You could just as easily throw 2x$2M at any of those guys and likely bring them on board with no acquisition cost.
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 18 h 36
Sujet:
Why I like these moves
Giving up a 1st for Robertson and Lilljegren doesn't make sense for the Islanders. Lilly doesn't fit a need - their RHD depth chart right now is Dobson-Pulock-Mayfield, and even if you think he's better than Mayfield currently is, well, that guy's got 6x$3.5M left on his deal and isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Robertson is a 5'9" winger with a long injury history who barely saw the ice in the playoffs. Neither of these guys fills a roster hole that would justify giving up the team's first 1st round pick they've held on to (so far) since 2019.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
dim. à 18 h 23
Sujet:
Getting Serious
I don't think the Isles trade is in the realm of possibility. You have the optics of trading your current captain, the one who replaced the guy who left, for that very guy who left, along with trading a pair of guys who fit the team's lunchpail identity for a guy who has never given off that kind of vibe. I think the trade makes the Leafs worse on paper, for what it's worth, too.
Beyond that, you've got a deal with 5 players here and 4 of them have full NMC/NTCs and Pageau has a 16-team NTC. The odds of getting all 5 of these guys to sign off on this move seems slim to nil.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
dim. à 11 h 35
Sujet:
NYI Blockbuster
Swap Pulock for Dobson, drop the pick and Kupari, and I think I'd make the deal.
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