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Bricher33

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Forum: Armchair-GM4 déc. 2023 à 10 h 23
Sujet: trading the captain
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bricher33</b></div><div>I'm not entirely sure about that. His trade value would be pretty damn high seeing as how he's currently tied for 11th in the league in goals, wins draws like it's his only job, and is a model for young players. That's not even mentioning HES 11TH IN THE LEAGUE ON A 3.75 MILL A YEAR DEAL. with 2 years to go. There is zero chance Columbus trades him but everything and everone has a price and if i was Jarmo that price would start with 2 firsts and a solid C prospect.</div></div>

His trade value is very high, but then you add on that he's doing all that while wanting to stay in Columbus, as a captain for a young team, who just passed the franchise games-played record. And he's a center, on a team that's so starved for center we're still actively looking for one, all despite our 3OA pick performing well and Jenner being tied for 11th in the league in goals.

You're absolutely right, and 2 first and a solid prospect is a start if you're looking to trade him, but I assure you, his internal value is still higher. Besides, the FO doesn't move him without immediately losing the room and their jobs.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 août 2023 à 9 h 2
Sujet: If Petey forces his way out next summer
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>Lol
If you want to know why I'm not being particularly engaging with you, one reason is because you assume that the 2025 pick is going to be a lotto pick.
2025. A pick I specifically slated out as a late pick.

If you (and that other poster) can't even get on the right page - there is no discussion to be had. So get off your high horse</div></div>
What you said is: "a (hopefully) late 1st" which is a scenario that I think the majority of people don't believe is likely as they have entirely too many strong teams ahead of them- which would strike me as the most likely impetus for making a trade such as this one. However, that's a fair counter as I set the tone by engaging with the implication that your assumptions were off-base. However, you're the one who chose to engage in a combative way so I'll stay on that particular "high horse" ;)

Since it seems you think I engaged in bad faith, allow me to reframe the questions earlier:

Could you elaborate on why a package of Johnson (~60pt season next year), Sillinger (what do you think is a reasonable expectation for him?), Boqvist/Mateychuk (would you prefer a package w/ Mateychuk?), and a 1st (let's cut right down the middle and say it ends up ~18 or 19, fair?) wouldn't be acceptable to you as a return for Petey (assuming another season of ~100pts) if he demanded a trade out of VAN? Are you of the mind that it would absolutely have to include Jiricek? To reject such a trade, you'd have to think they could get better from another team, in which case, what's an example of a better package you think VAN could get in such a situation?
Forum: Armchair-GM30 août 2023 à 7 h 15
Sujet: If Petey forces his way out next summer
KJ, imo, is untouchable right now. Other CBJ fans think Jiricek is also untouchable but I'll allow it in this instance. A trade for Petey wanting out next summer would be around a Eichel return not Tkachuk since Calgary wanted to still compete so that trade really isn't comparable. This trade would be a mini retool and to shorten any rebuild Van would have to commit to (also similar to what Buffalo has done). With that you get the following:

- a 50 pt. a season player (23-25 years old)
- a young prospect (mid 1st round)
- mid 1st round pick
- mid 2nd round pick

Now lets say EP is worth more then Eichel was at that time (Which is true since Eichel had an unknown with his neck) so lets bump that "a young prospect (mid 1st round)" to a coveted prospect who was drafted at the top of the draft (Jiricek). Then you have Cole Silinger who is the Krebs part of this trade. Then you have the 2025 1st (which should be a mid 1st rounder) and then we add a 2nd the following year.

We get this as the final trade:

From Van:

- EP

From CBJ:

- Cole Sillinger
- Jiricek
- 2025 1st
- 2026 2nd

This is the most I can see Jarmo offering IMO. I know you, based off comments already, will hate this trade but for the sake of argument I thought I would add my 2 cents.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 août 2023 à 6 h 39
Sujet: If Petey forces his way out next summer
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>Petey might be a top 5 player in the world. That does not get you 8 years of that lmao</div></div>
He's neither a top-5 F or top-5 player. There's a case to be made for top-5 C, though.

However, I disagree that it's outside of the the realm of reasonable if Petey is demanding a trade. People have cited the Tkachuk deal but that featured a 28 &amp; 29 year old as the key pieces and, as such, the nature of the trade and valuation is different. Johnson (assuming a ~60pt season from him) and the 1st (assuming around #10-14) are the central pieces and are a great foundation for such a trade.

I can see why Boqvist may be not that appealing due to his injuries. Would Mateychuk work better despite being another LD?
If we assume Sillinger bounces back (~35 point season as 3C), would you prefer him or another young F (Marchenko, Voronkov, etc)?