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Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 12 h 40
Sujet:
Zegras Since the Rumors Be Rolling Neither Side Should Do This
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>habs_trade_churner_50</b></div><div>On a loaded Winnipeg Jets team, this year, yes. But on most teams, he is a third line player, if this season was a fluke. Which I believe it was, and one can say it's regression... (A third line winger, for 2.75m over three years is not a dump, is all I am trying to say)</div></div>
You’re wasting your time with so many ppl here. That wind homer, he called Monahan a 4th line Center on the jets and that Chevy had no interest. Fast forward a few months and he’s top PP, 2nd line Center and plays on their pk.
These haters never admit they are wrong and simply like to gaslight and troll. The best you can do is build a good block list. Sometimes. I’ll take them off just when I’m in the mood for a good laugh. Don’t engage too much, you can’t win, they’ll just make you question how ridiculous they can actually be in real life and you hope they have mental health care and actually go outside every now and then for their own good.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 11 h 55
Sujet:
Young Talent That Hughes Could Target
Mercer is a good one.
Texier isn't worth that as the Pens pick could be top40. Unless you think that they are overpaying with that game in France to be confirmed for the 2025-26 season, he's a 3rd rounder at best in return. You can probably get Boeser at a cheaper price as the Canucks need to decide between Boeser and Hronek next season.
Hell, Bjorkstrand went for less and he's a much better player than Texier. The cap exists and the market dictates the price.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 11 h 51
Sujet:
Bye Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockeyfan1986</b></div><div>Someone should really understand jokes online.
Or possibly understand that the jokes have a little truth in it if it stings a bit too much.
Also, the guys above mentioned does have a physical aspect to their game unlike Marner. It's playoffs and Toronto has been said they play soft, time to play hard and take hits.</div></div>
Insecure man children as soon as you give the slightest nugget of truth it drives some of these homers mad!
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 10 h 32
Sujet:
If the Ducks Move On from Zegras
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>habs_trade_churner_50</b></div><div>Calgary 1st in 2025 (is a 1st)
Justin Barron (2020 1st, Pick 25)
Filip Mesar (2022 1st, Pick 26)
Owen Beck (2022 2nd, Pick 33) = Almost a 1st
I am not saying Anaheim wants to trade Zegras. But that is 3 firsts and more. And no 3 1st rounders have the same value. We understand that.
In reference:
Jack Eichel to Vegas:
16 overall, 17th overall, and 18th overall pick coming back to Buffalo.
What would you like from Chicago for Zegras?</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>The fact that you see three firsts here, and the fact that you think all firsts are the same, are emblematic of the myopia that afflicts many Habs fans.</div></div>
It's actually closer to 5 1sts as despite the image of Josh Anderson online among fanatics and not hockey managers.
Josh Anderson at 50% retention for 3 years that is almost assuredly another 1st despite you being emblematic of the myopia that afflicts many Ducks fans.
Frank Seravalli already confirmed this a year ago for a power forward that consistently scores 20 goals but you focus on 1 bad year of Josh Anderson and not the 1 bad year of TZ.
Make it, make sense.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 10 h 8
Sujet:
If the Ducks Move On from Zegras
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Subbanator7667</b></div><div>I don't remember the Habs having trouble signing Caufield to a long term contract and him holding out. I don't think Anaheim wants to move on from Zegras but I also don't think he's a Verbeek type player and that's evident from how far apart they were in contract discussions.</div></div>
Dont let facts interfere with Ducks fans and their logical fallacies, its all they have when they hear Zegras name.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>habs_trade_churner_50</b></div><div>If the Habs were moving on from Caufield, not that they are, what would you offer for him? (You <strong>cannot</strong> add Zegras to this mock trade)
What I would like to understand is what you consider a fair package, in terms of value. (eg. Josh Anderson, a power forward, with 50% retained, has value, how much can be debated, but this in my eyes is not a cap dump like some are claiming.)</div></div>
They already said Reinbacher or Slafkovsky plus. It's laughable. You probably wont get an answer because there are too many logical ppl in this thread. But the mask comes off when you push them. All their miserable seasons do is make them think they 'deserve' some kind of package for their emotional investment in Zegras. And they act like nobody knows his talent when hes on the cover of video games lmao
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 10 h 6
Sujet:
Bye Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockeyfan1986</b></div><div>2006 final teams were also a first time that both teams missed the next playoffs.</div></div>
It was an odd year coming out of the lockout with everything called.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 10 h 0
Sujet:
Bye Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brad_Treliving</b></div><div>and I don't blame them, this is just a Leafs fan talking about what kind of return I would love to have for Marner (letting him walk to FA also works). If I'm a Philly fan, I would never trade a heart and sole player it TK for MM</div></div>
TK is amazing.
The Oilers need to do everything to get this kid in the offseason if it's even a possibility that he can be moved and the Flyers can take on cap which they have shown to be willing with Briere at the helm.
TK with Draisaitl and Nugent Hopkins then Hyman with Mcdavid and Holloway. Jesus Christ. Give the Flyers the Oilers next 2 1sts, Ceci, Broberg and Bourgault. Just give everything in the cupboard and they have multiple Cups in the bag as long as Mcdrai take somewhat of a discount in 2025 and beyond. Just dont hand out contracts like the Leafs and they are Golden!
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 9 h 45
Sujet:
Zegras Since the Rumors Be Rolling Neither Side Should Do This
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>habs_trade_churner_50</b></div><div>Since I already mentioned this was on the low end, what value was your comment intending to add?</div></div>
lol ignore that one lmao
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 9 h 42
Sujet:
Next season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Subbanator7667</b></div><div>So for you it's either sign him to what's likely a 13 AAV contract or let him walk in FA l?</div></div>
the reckoning is coming for the Leafs. They really blew it with all those massive contracts. They were given a generational talent in Matthews but instead became a cautionary tale.
The Habs in a parallel universe sign PLD to a massive deal and the leafs walk away from Tavares. I wonder which universe the Leafs are better off?!?
Just sit back and enjoy their decline
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 9 h 20
Sujet:
Enough or too much
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>McDavid is amazing. His natural ability is incredible. One of the challenges he had early in his career was not making use of his teammates as much, but he's clearly worked on that and is now the best version of himself because he is making the 6 man unit better with his play.
Celebrini will never be McDavid, but he might be able to become a player akin to MacKinnon, which is arguably better since the later HAS won a cup and has looked incredible this year.
To make my argument about Bedard vs. Celebrini more clear: IMO if Chicago were to get Celebrini, they would move Bedard to the wing and play them on the same line.</div></div>
I'm not all about depth. I understand the allure of superstars. There is always an over correction on 1 side. For example everyone and their mother said the Avs were beating the Kraken last year. <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/699137/3">I was one of the few that had the Kraken solely because of depth</a> BUT I am all in on the Avalanche this season because they have made great moves to address their areas of need.
Walker was a fantastic get, simply look at the difference Philly performed with and without Sean Walker, their bottom 6 is a ton better with Duhaime, Parise, Trenin, Wood, Colton. I have them meeting the Oilers in the conference finals whom also finally addressed their depth last season. I would have obviously gotten more goalie help on each side. Both teams should have targeted Allen instead of *check notes* the Devils?!? It will come down to a lot of luck and be a very close series matchup if it happens. But each side put themselves in position to make those runs with timely moves and asset management. Holland was a bit too patient for my liking and Sakic is a wizard.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 9 h 9
Sujet:
Zegras Since the Rumors Be Rolling Neither Side Should Do This
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SLAFSQUATCH</b></div><div>See PLD trade. Habs fans were offering "fair trades" for PLD. Considering leverage. Winnipeg fans were irate. LA swoops in and overpays in comparison to Habs concensus. And, signs him to a contract where Habs fan were considering 7x7 big max. In the end. As of right now. LA is sucking on lemons. Perhaps PLD evolves into that player LA paid to get. But as of right now, it would be fair to deem that, dare I say, Habs fans were right in this regard.</div></div>
Chicago is going to be that team that 'overpays' the Bedard lustre will wear off with such a terrible team, again, in the following year.
Chicago should be making a ton of moves as they are starting from the bottom.
No point in the Habs trying to compete with desperate teams that want to make their key players happy and keep ticket sales going.
Habs dont have to worry about either with waiting lists on tickets and clear growth in their team play with many assets turning pro like Hutson, Reinbacher, Mailloux, Roy, Beck next season.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 9 h 5
Sujet:
Next season
Wait a year. You'll be able to get a Boeser type for almost nothing. Plenty of teams will have cap problems the next 2 years, the cap still aint going up much when that Arizona team really screwed growth in the league.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 9 h 3
Sujet:
Habs
I dont think Barron is worth that. He probably goes in a package though with the Jets pick to Carolina/Florida/NYR/PHI for an RFA or top6.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 9 h 1
Sujet:
Bye Hronek Bye Mikheyev
The question is to they sign Hronek and deal Boeser or deal Hronek and extend Boeser. Those look mutually exclusive at this point!
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 8 h 54
Sujet:
Bye Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brad_Treliving</b></div><div>Yup. Star talents gets you to the post season but depth, defense, and goaltending gets you through the playoffs. Any cup winners will tell you that</div></div>
You forgot luck in the finals. Gretzky said it best that there are 3 seasons in the NHL.
Canes winning that Cup in 2006 was solely because the Sabres had 3 healthy defenders left and they faced the Oilers 3rd string goalie. The most MID team to ever win a Cup! And, I think its affected their philosophy until this past TDL where they finally traded for a difference maker UFA in Guentzel.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 8 h 48
Sujet:
Bye Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brad_Treliving</b></div><div>Softest player in the league. When the going gets tough, he turns into a shrimp. It's how Dubas likes them, soft</div></div>
The league is trending to be all about depth when you have expansion looming, again! This league's talent will be so water'd down that I'm worried that McDrai nevers wins a Cup unless they do it this year or the next year. Vegas put up the blue print in 2016-17 and its only gotten to be more and more of a reality.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 8 h 46
Sujet:
Bye Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brad_Treliving</b></div><div>Have you read Steve Simmons new article? Absolutely loved it</div></div>
I am dreading Marner being dealt form Toronto. Those gifs of him avoiding contact in the corners are absolutely hilarious. Please no!
Konecny is such an underrated gem. I'd take him over anyone to be rumoured available whether thats Necas and Lundell because of cap considerations or Zegras.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 8 h 0
Sujet:
If the Ducks Move On from Zegras
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>habs_trade_churner_50</b></div><div>Thank you for your honest responses. Both Andy_Dick & TZ11. Appreciate the candidness and the intellectual stimulation. (Many emotion-driven fans on this site, which isn't bad lol, but really glad to see two very logically argued reasonings to understand what's going on both sides.) Thank you.</div></div>
Look at any thread in the trade forum. The 1st page of responses are usually emotional and incorrect. Par for the course. The easiest thing here is to be dismissive and tribal in anonymity so you can feel tall and part of a group.
It's always going to be a cesspool when you deal with fandom especially these days with a lack of community and entertainment in Hollyweird being awful. People want an escape in sports.
Fan does actually stand for fanatic
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 7 h 40
Sujet:
If the Ducks Move On from Zegras
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>habs_trade_churner_50</b></div><div>I agree Beck is untouchable. Mesar is not (although I don't think moving on from him is good at all). Mesar and Farrell are similar. Farrell is Mesar Lite imo. (The point of this Arm-Chair GM was to try and find a middle ground between what Ducks want and what the Habs are willing to give, even though it seems to very unlikely. The ask is way too far off from the offer. )
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/826029?post_id=4846356. (This is the other one I made earlier today)</div></div>
Hughes is quoted as saying that they didnt need to draft Shane Wright because they were always targeting Beck. I mean...that says, everything!
You'll never find a middle ground btw because the Ducks org is a mess with many different philosophies and the Ducks fans don't share Verbeek's vision from what I've seen here, there is a giant disconnect from reality.
You try to please everyone and you please no one. Dont try because most Habs fans will just rip any trade involving Zegras apart if it even comes close to 'pleasing' Ducks fans.
Secondly, most trades please no one and are a compromise. Most Ducks fans want guaranteed here with Slafkovky or Reinbacher plus plus.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 7 h 18
Sujet:
Enough or too much
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>Ok. So while I agree with you on Tij being a riser and an interesting draft option, I also agree with you that he's a complimentary piece.
Celebrini on the other hand is the kind of player you can only draft. No team will ever give him up once they have him, at least not until he's 30+. He is an elite center and plays a 2-way game in a way Bedard doesn't. He is extra attractive because he's already got chemistry with Lane Hutson and there's definitely a bit of a Crosby-Letang comparison in my mind.
We don't talk about it enough, but Celebrini was also a riser this year. He was expected to be 1st overall, but he outperformed expectations and blew everyone else away. He might be a better overall player than any of the forwards picked last year when all is said and done.
I like Guhle a whole lot, and don't want to give him or Dach up, but if I look at it player by player
Celebrini > Guhle
Celebrini > Dach
Celebrini > Iginla/Lindstrom
Celebrini > Calgary 2026 1st (cause that's where I see the pick ending up)
The only thing I'm not sure about is HOW much better. I think it might be a lot.</div></div>
Oh I like Celebrini's game a lot but he isnt Bedard or a game breaker IMO and this trade would considerably thin out Montreal's depth which is everything come the playoffs. Too many people here like building regular season teams and dont take a nod to the post season. Let's face it as Gretzky said they are 3 seasons, the regular season, the playoffs and the Cup final. One is where pure talent prevails, the other is depth and all round intensity. The final is a ton of luck with injuries and timely scoring. The biggest and most important season to me is the 2nd, the third more than ever will be luck based with more expansion on the horizon. You cant control that to a degree. This sport is puck luck more than people would admit. But you can put yourself in advantageous positions.
There is just too much parity in the league to think high end players can win on their own. I live in Edmonton and <strong>Connor McDavid is the best player I've ever seen in my life and has ZERO CUPS in his career</strong>. More than ever having balance in your lineup with the talent pool getting thinner and thinner as expansion looms is just paramount.
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Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 7 h 11
Sujet:
If the Ducks Move On from Zegras
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>habs_trade_churner_50</b></div><div>I understand. I am trying to understand the middle ground for what Ducks fan are willing to obtain for Zegras, and what a Habs fan might be willing to give up. (I originally offered Winnipeg 1st, Josh Anderson (retained 2.65m), Justin Barron and Sean Farrell, people were unhappy with that, to say the least)
As a die-hard Habs fan, I would no way in my right mind, do this.</div></div>
I understand but this isnt playstation.
Teams value certain qualities in players and the intangibles matter. You need certain type of players, especially a Beck. Just look at the playoffs right now and how teams like Leafs struggle with their 'big 4'
Beck is more important to this team than you realize and management isnt trading him. Hughes and co liked him so much so that they choose him 1st before Hutson and from everything we heard they only did that tactically because they knew everyone else was passing on Lane at the draft.
I cant grasp why so many Habs fans think Owen Beck could be traded. This started with the PLD rumours and I said over and over that I wouldnt trade Beck SU for PLD. I think we know how that turned out. Rob Blake would have to take a contract dump to take on that PLD deal at 7 more years.
Would you trade Danault and 3 1sts for Zegras...?... because that's what this can trade can look like, in the end.
The Habs wont do anything close to this and neither will any other team.
Ducks fans can whine and moan all they want about their 'winging..errr winning core' but any Zegras deal means that they choose to lose him and they'll pay for that decision and zero patience.
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Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 6 h 58
Sujet:
If the Ducks Move On from Zegras
4 1sts (Beck picked at 33) and retaining 2.75M for 3 years aint it for Montreal. No team can offer that kind of package and no one will for Zegras. Not even Eichel got this kind of price.
You're looking at a team like Chicago offering a pick in the teens and a good prospect or two. Any Zegras trade means that Verbeek is trying to deal him and they'll take a loss on the player, regardless.
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Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 6 h 40
Sujet:
Enough or too much
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>It's funny how uncomfortable you've made everyone. I actually think this deal is fair, though I feel we are selling low on Dach & Guhle who I think both will show more in the next 2-3 years.
I am torn because I see Celebrini as a sure thing and actually believe he's under-rated a little like MacKinnon was.
Anyway, I can't see HuGo tying their entire rebuild to Celebrini. They basically trade most of the primary capital they built up in the rebuild on this one deal.</div></div>
The only reason you could think it's fair is that a fanbase such as say the Sharks want a reward after a terrible season so you must drastically overpay for the 1st overall pick as they are projecting all their suffering onto any deal that isnt immediately a homerun but to say easy no is just ridiculous.
Tij Iginla is so underrated in this draft speaking of underrated.
He's one of the younger players in the draft. Born another month later and he's 2025 eligible. He just cooked in the WHL playoffs which has always been a rougher league and he's exactly what Montreal needs ala Brady Tkachuk. Iginla is an absolute MUST draft if he's available at 5-6-7. I was clamouring for Benson last year but i understand the size issue. There's no excuse this year. They cant go for the shinny toys like a Lindstrom whos a giant but big injury concerns. No more Kotkaniemis. They have built this team well, its time to add the important complementary pieces that get you over the hump like an Iginla and Guhle. Lehkonen looking back was a bad deal but i dont think they are a lottery team with him in the lineup so they have to draft an Iginla type this year. Enough is enough with the promise and risky swings. They have more than enough prospects in the cupboard.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 avr. à 6 h 14
Sujet:
Enough or too much
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>It's funny how uncomfortable you've made everyone. I actually think this deal is fair, though I feel we are selling low on Dach & Guhle who I think both will show more in the next 2-3 years.
I am torn because I see Celebrini as a sure thing and actually believe he's under-rated a little like MacKinnon was.
Anyway, I can't see HuGo tying their entire rebuild to Celebrini. They basically trade most of the primary capital they built up in the rebuild on this one deal.</div></div>
Guhle is probably the best player out of everyone in 2-3 years and ppl will say he's untouchable. He is another Shea Weber type but a much better skater. He's mean as hell and hasnt been given any PP time but produces 5on5 vs the toughest competition and he's still a kid. Sky is the limit.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pmbrouillard</b></div><div>lol</div></div>
Easy no lmao i knew it.
Obviously has no clue whom Guhle is..He'd immediately be the Sharks captain. Only reason he wont be in Montreal is because Suzuki was already named. There's a reason Montreal has no problem trading away all their veterans. Guhle/Suzuki are the leaders of this team.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>FunMustBeAlways</b></div><div>yup it is. just tells you how important that pick is to sj.</div></div>
They still need to win the lottery. Put it this way. This is what I think of the 1st overall pick this year and how it's a marginal difference from say a Demidov or Iginla. I dont even care if the Habs win the lottery, I am just hoping they dont move down in the draft.
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