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Forum: Armchair-GM1 sept. 2020 à 13 h 3

Sujet: Rating All Of Marc Bergevins Major Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RobbStark03</b></div><div>I guess I just liked Shaw then. Because I thought he brought enough value for 2x2nd. Chicago hitting a homerun with that pick shouldn't matter.</div></div>

Guess it's more to each their own.
I didn't find Shaw worth that much. Especially if the team just moved one of their best C's to acquire 1 of those 2nds

Forum: Armchair-GM1 sept. 2020 à 13 h 2

Sujet: Rating All Of Marc Bergevins Major Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Okay, but two months earlier, J-Bo hadn't nearly died on the bench. And I know it was an overpay, but this is how the deadline deals go. It was a cup-chasing matter at the time. I'm not going to criticize Army for pulling that trigger.

Now, signing Scandy to a juicy four-year deal after a dozen good games in the Bluenote is another story...</div></div>

I'm looking at it from the Habs perspective. Value was good.
I get the cup chasing scenario, Pens did something similar with Ron Hainsey and they won

Forum: Armchair-GM1 sept. 2020 à 13 h 0

Sujet: Rating All Of Marc Bergevins Major Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RobbStark03</b></div><div>Weber's contract dives in salary. What cash strapped team wouldn't want $7+ million in cap, while only spending a couple million? Even if he regresses, his leadership is well worth that contract for a cheap team (Ottawa for example).</div></div>

Let's say he regresses at 37-38. That still leaves 4 years of a 7 mil cap hit.
I don't even think a team like Ottawa wants that on their books regardless of salary cap. They're going to have to pay guys at some point too.

Forum: Armchair-GM1 sept. 2020 à 12 h 58

Sujet: Rating All Of Marc Bergevins Major Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RobbStark03</b></div><div>Can't look at draft picks like that. Montreal didn't trade DeBrincat, they traded the pick that Chicago used on him. If Montreal used that same pick, they likely pick someone else. The same way you didn't call out Norlinder or Romanov as huge parts of their trades.</div></div>

But it's still overpayment. You 100% need to look at trades like that.
Romanov and Norlinder are still unknowns with zero games of NHL experience right now

Forum: Armchair-GM1 sept. 2020 à 12 h 57

Sujet: Rating All Of Marc Bergevins Major Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kotkaniemi15</b></div><div>He’s an amazing player, and one of my favourites to ever wear the habs Jersey. But a return of Suzuki (who will end up as a better player than Patches), a consistent 25 goal scorer, and a pick that nets the other team an extremely talented prospect is an overpayment. While I know that it wasn’t necessarily much of an overpayment at the time of you consider the 2nd as incentive to take on Tatar, in hindsight it would’ve been better asset management to not make the deal. But like I said, while what they gave up has more value than what they got, it’s all worth it if Pacioretty helps them win a cup.</div></div>

I still can't believe an expansion team got Mark Stone and Pacioretty right out the gate.
They also have Cody Glass so Suzuki was good trade asset for them

Forum: Armchair-GM1 sept. 2020 à 12 h 54

Sujet: Rating All Of Marc Bergevins Major Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kotkaniemi15</b></div><div>The Domi & Weber trades are definitely too low. IMO Sergachev is very overrated, and while he <strong>could</strong> be a really good player, it hardly seems fair to rate it as a D when Drouin is the better player right now.</div></div>

Drouin is not the better player right now. Sergachev would have been the best addition to your D core (especially on an ELC with team control).
Drouin has never been consistent on the Habs. In these playoffs alone Sergachev has been a machine

I'll agree with you for Weber. But if he doesn't retire and regresses, you're stuck with a massive cap hit

Forum: Armchair-GM1 sept. 2020 à 12 h 48

Sujet: Rating All Of Marc Bergevins Major Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kotkaniemi15</b></div><div>It can work for both sides while still being an A+ for the habs. Vegas overpaid, but Pacioretty was a great addition who can help get them a cup. Montreal got an absolutely amazing return for Pacioretty.</div></div>

I think it was fair value for Pacioretty. A lot of people forget just how much he carried the Habs offence.
This was the proper return for a player of his caliber

Forum: Armchair-GM1 sept. 2020 à 12 h 47

Sujet: Rating All Of Marc Bergevins Major Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Subbanator7667</b></div><div>Think the Weber and Domi trades deserve higher grades.

Also we traded Shaw back to Chicago recouping one of those picks so didnt turn out horrible.</div></div>

I gave the 2nd Shaw trade an A.
But don't forget the first Shaw trade got the Hawks a 40 goal scorer

Forum: Armchair-GM1 sept. 2020 à 12 h 46

Sujet: Rating All Of Marc Bergevins Major Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Rather solid analysis, but there is one thing that makes me go hmmm...

"2 picks, one being a 2nd for a guy [Scandella] who normally would slot as a 6/7th D on most teams"

I agree that Bergy did well to grab a decent pick+ for a pending RFA. However, he partnered Parayko on the defending champs/West leaders, so maybe the Habs just didn't get the most out of him.</div></div>

I still think it was an overpayment. I like Scandella but 2 months before this, you could have got him from buffalo for a late round pick

Forum: Armchair-GM1 sept. 2020 à 12 h 45

Sujet: Rating All Of Marc Bergevins Major Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Suzuki_Cup</b></div><div>You're a little hard. No way Tatar + Suzuki + Norlinder isn't a+.
Domi vs Galchenyuk should be at least A imo. Galchenyuk is getting nowhere and we will soon get a nice return for Domi.
Weber for Subban is probably a B+. We got the best leader in the league for a team in rebuild, he's less expensive and plays way better. Doesn't seem to slow down for now.
Danault + Romanov for Weise and Fleischmann... I'm still laughing.</div></div>

I think the Pacioretty trade worked for both parties. He's an absolute machine for Vegas and if he helps them win the cup this year, I might even side with Vegas on that one tbh . Tatar at the time was terrible and a healthy scratch in the playoffs. The extension to pacioretty is key here

Forum: Armchair-GM31 août 2020 à 15 h 31

Sujet: Rating All Major Jim Rutherford Pens Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>The Bortuzzo/Cole trade was one of this rare win-wins. Bortz has done yeoman's service for us, including on our Cup run.</div></div>

It was an odd trade that somehow helped both teams further down the line.
Cole was great for us as well.

Forum: Armchair-GM31 août 2020 à 15 h 19

Sujet: Rating All Major Jim Rutherford Pens Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>warnken21</b></div><div>overall I think he did a decent job. He has won the cup several times so I think he deserves an A. Pitt will miss him when hes gone.</div></div>

Honestly, his mistakes have just started recently. Without those early moves, the Pens don't win b2b.
But what he's doing now also needs to be taken into consideration

Forum: Armchair-GM26 août 2020 à 15 h 52

Sujet: Overpay a team to take Johnson

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>just buy him out. Saves cap and u can bring up one of the rookies</div></div>

I think there's 2 reasons that won't happen.
1) GMJR does not want to admit he made a mistake with JJ
2) The team would be hesitant in paying for a buyout during a pandemic with a flat cap and revenues at stake

Forum: Armchair-GM26 août 2020 à 15 h 49

Sujet: Overpay a team to take Johnson

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wabit</b></div><div>MN is also taking on $5m+ in cap. Riikola isn't young (27 this Nov) and is waiver fodder. Stalock = Murray (neither is someone I want for a starter or even a 1B), plus Stalock is cheaper and MN has to expose either Murray or goalie KK in the expansion draft next year with this trade.

MN has PIT's unprotected 1st next year. Helping them out with their cap should be the last thing they do. The worse PIT is the better it is for MN.</div></div>

Does this really help them tho?
They're losing a 1B in net, Pateryn is a slight upgrade at RD. They are losing a good prospect, another pick and their only servicable LD in the system with Riikola.
The Pens can't spend the extra cap either due to the cut in payroll

Forum: Armchair-GM26 août 2020 à 15 h 47

Sujet: Overpay a team to take Johnson

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>Zaitsev probably is better than JJ but his contract is worse (more AAV and more term)

Also, at the time of the trade, McCann was better than brown. McCann + Johnson makes sense. The Zaitsev trade worked out for Ottawa pretty well. Other teams would be intrigued with McCann + Johnson</div></div>

As a Pens fan, I pray you are right. Johnson moving is addition by subtraction.

Forum: Armchair-GM26 août 2020 à 15 h 46

Sujet: Overpay a team to take Johnson

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ragsandbluesfan</b></div><div>And the yotes need cap space, especuslly if they want to keep hall/sign someone in his place to keep the better draft pick</div></div>

Very interesting. Honestly, I'd love to get goligoski back. He'd be a massive upgrade

Forum: Armchair-GM26 août 2020 à 15 h 43

Sujet: Overpay a team to take Johnson

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Riley816</b></div><div>I'd say 2 points in 13 games, back surgery and 4.1 mil cap does not equal free.</div></div>

I think the move would depend solely on Bjugstad recovering. If he can't, the Pens would LTIR him as his salary is paid by insurance

Forum: Armchair-GM26 août 2020 à 15 h 41

Sujet: Overpay a team to take Johnson

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>Once again, McCann can move him. Look at Zaitsev / brown deal</div></div>

Differences:
-Pandemic (flat cap) makes teams more hesitant to take on heavy cap hits.
-Zaitsev is younger and arguably a better player than Johnson.
-You would need to find a trade partner in this situation that is willing to take Johnson just to hit the cap floor. (there aren't any)

Also, you are way overvaluing McCann. He is barely a top 6 forward

Forum: Armchair-GM26 août 2020 à 15 h 38

Sujet: Overpay a team to take Johnson

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ragsandbluesfan</b></div><div>Johnson+ for goligoski, yotes get cap space, pens get the better player and cap.soacw after 1 year</div></div>

That + would probably have to be a ton. Goligoski is still a solid d man

Forum: Armchair-GM26 août 2020 à 15 h 38

Sujet: Overpay a team to take Johnson

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>Awful johnson trade wow</div></div>

Good luck. It's a terrible contract that is going to cost the Pens a ton to move. They also won't use a buyout because they have to cut payroll. One of the worst moves by GMJR

Forum: Armchair-GM26 août 2020 à 15 h 34

Sujet: Overpay a team to take Johnson

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gordon_Bombay</b></div><div>no team is even consider those trades</div></div>

Why would Buffalo not consider Bjugstad for 3C for free (is a UFA) for moving up in the draft this year?

Also, Minnesota is getting a good prospect, a pick, a starting goalie, a young LD for a 33 year old backup and Greg Pateryn

Forum: Armchair-GM25 août 2020 à 16 h 3

Sujet: Jim Rutherfords vision

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ecupirate07 </b></div><div>Didn’t JR say y’all would be around 75 million? Internal cap.</div></div>

Don't worry. He's going to barge into the office with Kyle Clifford's payday in hand

Forum: Armchair-GM25 août 2020 à 12 h 34

Sujet: I cannot believe what Im seeing

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ryminister_27</b></div><div>He only played with Matthews or Tavares on his off wing. He could definitely break out on his natural side beside Malkin.</div></div>

I hope I'm wrong but on paper, this trade is MASSIVE overpayment by the Pens.
Guentzel - Sid - Zucker
Rust - Malkin - Kapanen?

Forum: Armchair-GM25 août 2020 à 12 h 21

Sujet: I cannot believe what Im seeing

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ryminister_27</b></div><div>Realistically, it's not a terrible deal but it's a slight overpayment. Hallander has struggled the last couple of seasons and maybe Pittsburgh was starting to give up on him, so he wouldn't carry much value. Rodrigues just didn't fit in and was likely the roster player that had to go to fit Kapanen in. The 15th overall is a bit of an overpayment, Kapanen is likely worth a 20-31 overall pick, but with that not being available for Pittsburgh to give up it had to be 15th. Plus Kapanen could explode beside Malkin so don't beat the deal too much yet</div></div>

You really think Kapanen is going to explode here? when he couldn't do anything With Matthews or Tavares

Forum: Armchair-GM25 août 2020 à 12 h 20

Sujet: I cannot believe what Im seeing

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchMarner_16</b></div><div><img class="for_img" src="https://i.pinimg.com/originals/33/2d/d0/332dd05bc6546f498cd68f95f5c32ff2.gif" alt="332dd05bc6546f498cd68f95f5c32ff2.gif"></div></div>

-Gained cap space (check)
-Gained a 1st round pick (check)
-Gained a prospect (check)

For

a 3rd line forward with (barely any) top 6 potential.

Dubas is a great GM

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