I don't think a couple late picks will be competitive for McGroarty.

I don’t think Utah is interested honestly

Goaltending isn’t much their issue

we know we know... you're expectations are the world.
Then there is reality. Please sit down.

Utah is in the market for a goalie. This isn't even debatable.

I think that's close on rutger. Don't think Carolina gives a 1st just to get rid of 4mil in KK. Also smith is all but gone(hopefully for laine).

It’s really not out of this worldly to say a guy drafted 14th overall, with very good junior numbers could be traded for more than the 27th and 46th? Would not be surprised if it costs more than this? A better offer can absolutely be reached by a team like even San Jose, Chicago, or Utah all of these teams have a ton of draft capital, including earlier picks than the Penguins. I would agree that a 1st and a 2nd isn’t a bad trade for McGoarty, and is honestly fair, but a very late first, and a middle second is not enough imo

Second this

Canes pass, rather do the buyout

Smith is here till he is gone. I don't think the team is overly worried about moving Smith. His contract ends this year. Fixing this team is not a 1 year solution, it's a long term project. They need to focus on longer term fixes than worry about Smith's expiring deal.

you are never going to get full value on him, The PHL trade shows that.
WPG fans refuse to recognize this.
It's ok, Pens fens refused to think Jake would bring back the return he did.

At some point you get over it and stop carrying what the emotionally damaged have to think, and get back down to reality.
It's a fair offer.
PS. SJS, CHI etc.. aren't giving up their picks not to mention WPG isn't going to trade to the WC teams. Just like PHL wouldn't deal to the EC teams.
There is a reason PHL settled for a 2nd and a oft injured disgruntled struggling player who fell out of favor in ANA.... just look at his play in PHL and realize what they got in return.
That market isn't what you want it to be.

be my guest, pay 12 years on a buyout.

It’s only 830k lol, that’ll be league minimum in a few years

Canes aren’t giving up a first to get rid of players especially in division

You got 3 choices.
1. you can keep that almost 5 mil cap hit for the next at least 3 years as no one is touching a contract that long at that price for a bottom 6 player.
2. you can buy him out and be paying him for basically the career of many players on the team aka over a decade. I assure you, no matter how little you think the contract is. NO team wants to be buying a guy out for 12 years.
3. You can pay to dump him. A 1st is the minimum you will pay to dump that contract. If you don't think so, Jake Walman 3.4x2 cost a 2nd to dump.
4.8 x 6 is going to cost well more than that.

So maybe get over yourself.
Come to terms with the fact that it's a bad contract.
Realize there is a price to pay to dump it.
A late round 1st isn't going to make or Break CAR, but having an almost 5 mil per bad contract on their books for the next 6 years will be a real pain in the butt to deal with.

So don't come to me acting like the ask there is outrageous. It's not. If anything it's letting you off the hook easy.

Walman shouldn’t have been a dump, everyone knows Yzerman sucks at being a GM besides drafting.

That’s not the canes philosophy, they hate selling low on players, they absolutely will keep him and give him a shot to bounce back before paying a first to dump him. He had a really good year in 22-23 and started this season well. It isn’t a great contract still but I do believe he will bounce back.

You can stop trying to blame Yzerman.... he paid market value to dump cap. That's what it costs.

Teams aren't just here to take your cap for nothing, they want something in return.

As much as you think he will bounce back his year in 21-22 was no better than this year.

He is what he is, and that is a guy who should not be on that contract.
He's been in CAR long enough now, that they know what they got and it's not working out.
They would move that contract if they could. Some of you canes fans know it. Some of you think that everyone else is there to take it from you for nothing..... that's not going to happen.
No matter what your "philosophy" is on moving players.

Well Mike Grier had no problem helping his old pals in New York for free, so maybe Don Waddell would take KK LMAO

He had a better year in 21-22 than this season. 2 more points in 13 less games. If they can find the right price to move him, they’ll do it. But as an analytics based team, trading a high quality asset like that to get rid of a player doesn’t make sense

If you think a late round fist is a High quality asset then you haven't be paying attention at TDL. Teams move them all the time for little more than a rental.
Using one to move out a 6 year bad contract is not some high cost.
But hey. When you are carrying that contract for 4 more years, maybe you'll look back on it and say, we should have moved that contract years ago.

Jarry's also here til he's gone and you traded him so

Jarry is hardly the point of this ACGM, nor does his cap hit matter here, it easily fits.

Jarry is also a whole lot easier to move than Smith is. All I hear is people like you, Smith needs to be traded.... he's hardly the one that needs to be traded and they aren't retaining on him s there is no better option at the retained amount. So he's here, period. He will remain here unless they actually move him.
Jarry on the other hand is much more likely to be moved if they are opening up room for Blom. Which I'm clearly doing as I'm trying to give the young players space.
So get over it.

Easier to move jarry than smith hahahah

oh really who is replacing him?
They don't have anyone on the roster to replace him yet. The one guy they have is Koivunen but he's not ready yet. He just got to the AHL.
When you have to retain 2.5 mil on him, then what winger are you getting who in a down year can put up 40 points, especially at 2.5 mil per. Which is the cap equivalent.
There is none. That's the answer to that. The market sucks, it's weak on wingers. There isn't much available that is any better than he is.
Most teams aren't going to come looking for a trade until after FA. So there won't be anyone out there.

Which is why you're argument is a dead end.
It's harder to move him because it's harder to replace him.
In the mean time, they got Blom just sitting there ready to get his crack at the NHL level to replace Jarry, who they simply have to move out.
So yeah, it's easier to move Jarry than it is to move Smith.