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Quantity over quality

Créé par: jonh514
Équipe: 2024-25 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 22 juin 2024
Publié: 22 juin 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Top 5 picks don't get traded often. This deal let's the Habs get better right away, while it lets the Sabres promote players like Kulich, Ostlund, Rosen and draft twice in the top 11 for players who will be ready in about 3 years.
Transactions
MTL
  1. Quinn, Jack
  2. Savoie, Matthew
Détails additionnels:
Habs profit from some of the Sabres wealth of young high picks in recent years who won't have a spot in their top 9
BUF
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
Sabres go get a young stud like Lindstrom or Demidov to augment their pipeline
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2388 000 000 $70 671 250 $1 022 500 $6 520 000 $17 328 750 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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7 850 000 $7 850 000 $
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UFA - 7
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7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
C
UFA - 6
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950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 500 000 $$4M)
AD, AG
RFA - 1
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886 667 $886 667 $ (Bonis de performance1 000 000 $$1M)
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RFA - 3
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3 362 500 $3 362 500 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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835 000 $835 000 $
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2 900 000 $2 900 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 3
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3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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4 450 000 $4 450 000 $
C
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UFA - 1
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812 500 $812 500 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
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UFA - 2
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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3 150 000 $3 150 000 $
G
UFA - 3
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1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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766 667 $766 667 $
DD
UFA - 1
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890 000 $890 000 $
G
RFA - 1
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950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance750 000 $$750K)
DG
RFA - 2
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
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sam. à 9 h 24
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Quinn is already a good top 6 player Sabres have no reason to do this they finally seem they want to be serious about winning this year.
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Quoting: BUF10
Quinn is already a good top 6 player Sabres have no reason to do this they finally seem they want to be serious about winning this year.


I was thinking the reason would be:

You have Kulich, Ostlund, Rosen waiting in the wings (among others). Basically you trade 2 if these 5, in order to let the others play.

If it's not these 2, then perhaps it's Kulich & Savoie, or Kulich & Rosen.

Basically the idea being that not all of your players who are high picks will be looking for extensions in the same 2 year period.

Also, you have tons of young talent, but no team in NHL history has won with a team as young as this.
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Sabres trade a good roster player and a good prospect that's close to being NHL ready for another prospect to strengthen an already good prospect pool? It just doesn't make sense.
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Quoting: jonh514
I was thinking the reason would be:

You have Kulich, Ostlund, Rosen waiting in the wings (among others). Basically you trade 2 if these 5, in order to let the others play.

If it's not these 2, then perhaps it's Kulich & Savoie, or Kulich & Rosen.

Basically the idea being that not all of your players who are high picks will be looking for extensions in the same 2 year period.

Also, you have tons of young talent, but no team in NHL history has won with a team as young as this.


They are buying out skinner. They are going to need ELC for the bad 4 years of the buyout. It doesn’t make sense from a Sabres perspective to trade an already established top 6 forward just because they have a lot of forward prospects.
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How about Rosen and Savoie
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Quoting: BUF10
They are buying out skinner. They are going to need ELC for the bad 4 years of the buyout. It doesn’t make sense from a Sabres perspective to trade an already established top 6 forward just because they have a lot of forward prospects.


I would hope there not buying out Skinner to fill with ELC'S, Sabres have plenty of ELC'S coming when his bad cap happens.
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Obviously no.
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Quoting: BUFF36
How about Rosen and Savoie


How about we just don't trade for picks
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Sabres will trade you Rosen and Ostlund for that 1st rd pick
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How about we just don't trade for picks


How about we trade for that pick and draft Lindstrom or Yakemchuk use 11 on Buch, TK, Ehlers.
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How about we trade for that pick and draft Lindstrom or Yakemchuk use 11 on Buch, TK, Ehlers.


Nah
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Nah


That's cool
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Mmm lol no. Not a chance.

More like 2x the quality for quality. 2x does not equal x. That be some bad algebra
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Mmm lol no. Not a chance.

More like 2x the quality for quality. 2x does not equal x. That be some bad algebra


So just to clarify: Quinn & Savoie would both go 5OA in this draft?
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Quoting: wojme
Sabres trade a good roster player and a good prospect that's close to being NHL ready for another prospect to strengthen an already good prospect pool? It just doesn't make sense.


It does if you think all of your prospects are going to make the NHL and don't have room for them. Then you buy some time.
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Quoting: jonh514
It does if you think all of your prospects are going to make the NHL and don't have room for them. Then you buy some time.


It downgrades the team now and also later if savoie turns out to be a better player than whoever is available at 5.
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If Demidov is available, there is no trade to be made with any team. You draft the player. Its that simple.
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It downgrades the team now and also later if savoie turns out to be a better player than whoever is available at 5.


Do you legitimately believe that might happen, because I don't. I'm not a huge Savoie fan. I was more in it for Quinn++
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It downgrades the team now and also later if savoie turns out to be a better player than whoever is available at 5.


I would also argue, go get some vets. It's crazy to play a team this young year after year and expect different results.
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Quoting: F50marco
If Demidov is available, there is no trade to be made with any team. You draft the player. Its that simple.


I don't think Demidov plays in Montreal before 2026-27. I am looking to be better in 2024-25.
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I would also argue, go get some vets. It's crazy to play a team this young year after year and expect different results.


The thing about doing it year after year is that the players get older and more experienced. Trading away good young players for futures just to add bad vets is how the sabres are in the drought
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Do you legitimately believe that might happen, because I don't. I'm not a huge Savoie fan. I was more in it for Quinn++


Yes. Savoie is a very skilled player. They were also former top 10 picks. You don't trade two top 10 picks for 5oa
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We don’t need quantity. Our roster is full and guys like Heineman and Farrell already don’t have a place long term
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The thing about doing it year after year is that the players get older and more experienced. Trading away good young players for futures just to add bad vets is how the sabres are in the drought


Not sure I agree. It's never worked for any team. But by all means...
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I don't think Demidov plays in Montreal before 2026-27. I am looking to be better in 2024-25.


Apparently his contract ends after this coming up year and then he's coming over after. 25-26. If you want to be better next year, look at free agency. Savoie and Quinn do not make the team THAT much better next year. Savoie still a rookie and Quinn hasn't quite established himself yet either. Both guys are still learning so there will be growing pains.
 
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