not even in the right universe for frederic.

How much do you expect a 3C rental to cost?

he's not a center. he plays up and down the lineup (mostly at wing), can play all three forward positions, and is a really important part of a team that isn't selling. a 25 second rounder isn't moving the needle.

Let me rephrase then (btw if he’s not a center his value goes down).

How much do you expect a middle 6 winger (you yourself said he’s primarily a winger) rental to go for?

you're asking the wrong question.

How much does it cost to get a team to move a player they really don't want to move? the answer is - whatever the hell that team deems the price be.

you're asking the wrong question.

How much does it cost to get a team to move a player they really don't want to move? the answer is - whatever the hell that team deems the price be.

Again, so how much of an overpay are you expecting for your, again, 1 year rental of a middle 6er.

Because the recent market doesn’t suggest that this is anything out of line at all.

So again, how much of an overpay. Are you suggesting that Boston would prefer this year of Frederic to the peak of rental prices? That Frederic (with again, 1 year of control) is more helpful to a team than, for example, buying Buchnevich, or a legit stud dman like Hanifin last year. Because I’m going to call bull**** on that.

Again, so how much of an overpay are you expecting for your, again, 1 year rental of a middle 6er.

Because the recent market doesn’t suggest that this is anything out of line at all.

So again, how much of an overpay. Are you suggesting that Boston would prefer this year of Frederic to the peak of rental prices? That Frederic (with again, 1 year of control) is more helpful to a team than, for example, buying Buchnevich, or a legit stud dman like Hanifin last year. Because I’m going to call bull**** on that.

Again, so how much of an overpay are you expecting for your, again, 1 year rental of a middle 6er.

Because the recent market doesn’t suggest that this is anything out of line at all.

So again, how much of an overpay. Are you suggesting that Boston would prefer this year of Frederic to the peak of rental prices? That Frederic (with again, 1 year of control) is more helpful to a team than, for example, buying Buchnevich, or a legit stud dman like Hanifin last year. Because I’m going to call bull**** on that.

The price will be unreasonable because he isn’t available

The trade value is more than fair, you're just dictating based on your feelings. Note that Frederic doesn't have a NMC or NTC: any GM worth their salt leaps at two picks within the top-100 in a draft for one of their glue guys. We've got about 3 weeks left of this resource: find a more important hill to die on.

DevilsWild, the question of upgrading your goaltending - and to what extent - is a matter of philosophy really. Sure, we have seen teams take backups and third-string netminders on deep runs to eventually win it all BUT the Devils are in a position where they should be considering throwing everything (and the kitchen sink) at the chance to win a Stanley Cup next year. Hughes and Nemec are never going to be cheaper than they are today and the discount they bring to the Devils' back end presents an advantage: this in theory should allow New Jersey to spend more at other positions to make winning it all a reality. A Brossoit-Allen tandem is probably good enough to maintain a playoff position and could get the Devils through a round or two, but why chance it? If 2024-25 is the year to shove all in while Hughes is closer to a league-minimum contract than his bridge or big-boy paycheques, then making a move for Saros or Markstrom is a good idea. At the very least it gives you better statistical odds at a deep run or a Stanley Cup than taking the cheap/safe approach.

Is there some indication that Frederic is going to take some massive discount to stay in Boston that I don’t know about?

That’s why a player won’t be available. Hes worth more to Boston than the compensation that would be presented and my assumption is they will try to resign him.

Not every team is looking to trade players whose contracts are up. Rentals are only valued as “rentals” if you assume you can’t resign them. Nothing in the Frederic case suggests that is actually a consideration.

Is Frederic going to take some big discount from market value to stay in Boston? Because that would be the only thing to increase his value.

Youre telling me that if someone offered you a 1st+3rd (keep in mind this could buy you a guy at the caliber of Noah Hanifin) you would pass?

It comes down to, is the value of whatever discount Frederic will take more valuable than the gap between Frederic and a top tier rental?

I’m telling you that I don’t believe someone would offer a first and a third for him, so it’s kind of a pointless discussion. All I know is I wouldn’t consider the deal being presented.

And Id agree with that. What I don’t agree with is the statement that a 2nd and a 3rd for Frederic is “not in the right universe”