Chicago wouldn't have to say no... Jones would.

Thinking Jones would rather stay on the rebuilding blackhawks is homer delusion at its finest..

He said before and several times in fact he doesn't want to play in Canada.

This is 100% false. There's absolutely nothing you can source to say otherwise. He did however request a trade out of CBJ because they were rebuilding, so put 2 and 2 together here..

The Hawks can get better without creating massive holes on their team. Sure, Solve 1 problem, but it creates a other and a worse one because the Hawks already need 1 more RD...not 1 less.

And I don't see them retaining at all.

OTT accepts that I'd say

With Jones I think retention is key. You can't be paying him 9.5 for 5 more seasons.

You also need a puck mover to play with him. His best years were with Werenski as his partne. How you have it set up here is good and I could also see him paired with Rielly.

Rielly - Jones
Chychrun-Hakanpaa
Benoit-McCabe

A solid 2 way defender signed through age 34 isn't really that big of a deal especially as the cap goes up and especially if there is retention. Good job with this roster.

Really depends on if they go RD with the #2 pick.

Vlasic, Korchinski, Levshunov is a potentially elite top 3 without Jones.

And then a combo of Bedard and Marner up front...

Or we draft the best available like Kyle Davidson has said he would and draft Demidov who's an elite 2-way winger...remind you of anyone? He also fits our rebuild timeline...Demidov that is.

That is correct. But it's coin flip as to who is the best available at #2 between Demidov and Levshunnov.

And on top of that elite RD's are more valuable than RW's.

OTT declines

ya, no OTT aint touching that with a 100 foot pole, chych to TOR is a non starter

Saying it's a non-starter means you think the value coming back is irrelevant. Thinking it's more important to spite the leafs than help your own team is not a smart opinion. Take a lesson from your fellow sens fan, he can see that's a clear win for OTT (another way to stick it to the leafs)

Demidov is far from a lock for 2nd best BPA. To take a Russian 2nd overall I'd expect more than MHL production, and to take a winger 2nd overall you'd need to be pretty confident he's on the level of kuch or kaprizov, which I really don't see.

I understand that it got overlooked, but I tried to explain that this would be a 3 way trade where chicago is getting a considerable package of futures from the team who acquires marner. Marner should be worth more with retention so this would be a win for chicago.

ya because 2 teams competing for the same playoff spots always trade top 4 dman to each other.. chych aint being traded in division it that simple if you do not have the intelligence to understand that, i feel sorry for you.

But we're creating holes on our team that severely negatively affect our current prospects. It just doesn't make ANY sense at all for us to trade away Seth Jones unless he asked for a trade...which he hasn't to anyone's knowledge. That's never been reported anywhere. Just speculation...like most things. Hawks have futures. Hawks are in prospect development mode. We NEED Serh Jones. I think Kyle Davidson goes out and gets a guy like Anders Lee to help the forward group develop. IF the Hawks were 2-3 years down the road and this whole Marner situation came up...I'd be more open, but that's 2-3 years away. can't rush the rebuild.

Demidov is the guy. The argument for Levshunov is ironic considering you keep trading for Seth Jones. The ONLY argument for Levshunov is because the Hawks are already SO thin at RD. It's our weakest position in our farm system. Basically no one is saying he's the most talented of the two though.

The same playoff spot? Lol, that's wishful thinking. You have one year left of chychrun and it's pretty obvious you should trade him with Sanderson and Chabot already signed long term. That would also give you the cap space to sign a tanev, meaning you're likely even better this year after completing this trade, but most certainly better long term.

You know what happened the last time Dorian blew his load and splurged on a big piece with no realistic chance of resigning him? He had to ship him off for much less than this when he sent debrincat to Detroit, a team you're actually competing with for a playoff spot. Chycrun isn't going to be the reason you guys place ahead of the leafs next year, and with the obvious changes you need to make this would be a great start....

Of course it makes a ton of sense. He doesn't fit your timeline and will be a massive roadblock in 5 years when you're ready to contend and Bedard, korchinski, moore, nazar, vlasic, this year's 2nd overall pick etc. Are all ready for their big time extensions.

If you trade Jones then that's when you bring in vets from FA to support your younger players, it's happening right before your eyes.

And also how the hell is trading Jones rushing the rebuild? That's the exact opposite and not rushing the rebuild is the entire point. Considering he literally requested a trade from CBJ because they were rebuilding to end up in Chicago, you don't think he'd prefer to be on a team with hopes of competing while he's in his prime?

Not sure why you think Jones wouldn't be available like any of the other players KD has traded that don't fit your timeline.

I couldn't disagree more. Player development is MORE important than having futures or even the #1 OA pick.

You're talking about "in 5 years". The biggest issue I have with the whole trade Seth Jones idea is that no one is listening to what Kyle Davidson is saying...AND DOING! His actions speak far louder than anyone's words. You don't think first saying we need character guys like Foligno and then overpaying for Foligno is his main focus for the next two years? We NEED Seth Jones to be that guy on the back end. We don't need Marner. He's a luxury that would be nice and would I want him on my team...yeah, BUT we don't NEED him. We don't need that many more futures either. We've got 12 picks 1-3rd rounds in the next 3 years.

We're in prospect development mode. Give us 2 year contracts for Good, but not great veterans. That's what we need and we'll overpay them in AAV if then meet our term demands....just like Foligno and Dickinson.

You keep missing the point, you'd be getting the futures that a marner trade would return, not marner. We have been watching what Kyle Davidson has been doing, and that's been trading every player of value who doesn't fit your timeline: debrincat, Hagel, dach, Kane, mccabe, etc.

Again, you'd be getting the futures from a marner return, not marner himself. You'd also open up that cap now to sign good, not great players on short term deals, say pesce at 3 x 8 mil, or Martinez at 3 x 7 mil. Those are players who can help your young prospects grow while not hindering the roster when they're ready to compete.

Debrincat was traded for korchinski, a 39th overall pick, and a 3rd.

Hagel was traded for Oliver Moore, katchouk, raddysh and this year's 20th overall pick.

Dach was traded for nazar and a 3rd

Mccabe was traded with 2 mil retained by 3 years for a 1st and a 2nd rounder

A 2nd and cap space was traded for Sam rinzel

Those players were all replaced with good not great players like you mentioned. Why would you view Jones as being the exception, especially when he could potentially return the most value, while also representing the biggest salary cap obstacle down the road when you're ready to compete? When he requested a trade from a rebuilding team that led him to chicago in the first place?

Nothing Kyle Davidson has done supports your theory, quite the opposite actually. This should be the biggest no brainer of the bunch but here we are. Also, you're in year 2 of a scorched earth rebuild. The more opportunities you have to acquire top end talent the better.

You know Seth jones won't be a top end talent worth his cap when you're ready to compete, but the pieces he'd return likely would be. It should be obvious, but in 5 years when all of those players are off their ELCs and you need to add considerable assets to clear Jones cap space (if you even can at that point), you'll probably wish you had acquired young players who'd just be entering their prime to go along with that 8.5 mil in critical cap space.

You do not need a #1 defenseman in his prime to be the tutor for those young players, nor is that what he signed up to be. This should be obvious for blackhawks fans so your backwards outlook on this is pretty baffling.

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My man I read your post. I read the last 17. You DESPERATELY WANT SETH JONES. I get it. We don't want your futures. We don't want your Marner. We'll take Matthews.

Jones signed a max-term, NMC deal with a terrible Chicago team that only won 28 games, so put two and two together here

My man I read your post. I read the last 17. You DESPERATELY WANT SETH JONES. I get it. We don't want your futures. We don't want your Marner. We'll take Matthews.[/quote]

Well the fact this is now 4 times I've needed to tell you that it's not marner you'd be getting probably says enough. Thankfully for you and your fellow blackhawks fans, KD seems like a smart guy and understands what a successful scorched earth rebuild entails.

The most obvious rule that even my 10 year old nephew can understand? Unloading massive contracts while the player's value is at its highest, and before they cripple the future cap situation thae should be meant for the core you're building. And you get incredibly value futures to fit your timeline in return!

Not that complicated, so don't embarrass your fellow fans by saying "we" as if you're involved in the decision making. Food for thought for those who think!

My 3 year old son knows how to listen better than you...which is saying something! I've said futures as well as other things. you dont listen to the GM. Forget me, listen to the General Manager. He'll tell you the Hawks goals. He's done it frequently. you twist and turns words to pry players away.

Why aren't you unloading Nylander then? That's an awful contract.

We'll ignore the fact he was top 10 in scoring last year, but if i had the option I'd trade him instead of marner. That option isn't there. If we were rebuilding and he wanted to compete for a cup elsewhere though, offering to waive to do so? Yeah, obviously that's a no-brainer.