I think I’d consider this

Yeah, the basis of this was that after the deadline, word was that OTT was looking to add a “character guy” (Eller) and I figured smith would be a good piece to add on to get SOME future value.

OTT declines, not trading their best defensive Forward for 2 guys on retirements door...

Eller is a defensive forward and faceoff specialist, and if Smith is motivated and actually wants to play where he ends up, then he is a quality 2way player…I understand not wanting to give up Joseph, but your trading one two way player for two essentially

one of 35 the other is 33, Joseph is 27, pass both not even worth joseph

Don't want Joseph contract.

Eller is the most valuable piece here.

I'd rather just let the Smith contract expire than basically swap Eller for Joseph in year two and pay a 3rd to dump Smith.
Not a good value trade for the penguins.