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You'll quickly learn on here that Blues fans wildly overrate Parayko on this site

We don’t wildly overrated Parayko, we simply don’t have another defenseman who can handle top minutes like him. Plus he lead the NHL in blocked shots this past season. That holds value.

I understand he can't be easily replaced and I understand Marner isn't the piece they'd be looking for if they did move on from him.

But iv also been told that he's more valuable than Marner, delusional, that he's a a top pairing RHD, he's not and that Marner isn't needed, every team needs a star offensive forward.

In my mind the Blues will always be a mid level team because of this. They thought he was going to step up with Petro gone and found out he's really a #4 on a contender and not an actual top pairing dman. Now they're going to be stuck in the middle with no real way out unless they tear it down, which they won't do because Thomas and Kyrou is there

You know parayko isn't that crazy good I could've signed a better defenseman in FA but had to trade Marner.

I understand he can't be easily replaced and I understand Marner isn't the piece they'd be looking for if they did move on from him.

But iv also been told that he's more valuable than Marner, delusional, that he's a a top pairing RHD, he's not and that Marner isn't needed, every team needs a star offensive forward.

In my mind the Blues will always be a mid level team because of this. They thought he was going to step up with Petro gone and found out he's really a #4 on a contender and not an actual top pairing dman. Now they're going to be stuck in the middle with no real way out unless they tear it down, which they won't do because Thomas and Kyrou is there

Have you seen the Blues prospect pool? I might be biased but they’ll be a playoff team in 1-3 years and a Cup contender in 5. A few changes to the defense and a couple secondary scorers and they’re fine. They would’ve made it this year if they showed up vs bottom teams. Parayko has his role and does it well, losing Bouwmeester hurt him but he’s steady. You’re delusional if you think he’s a #4 dman. Don’t forget, he won a Cup and was a big part of it, something Mitchy and Co. won’t do.

He’s not a superstar but he’s steady. Good luck finding a FA dman who matches his league leading 218 blocked shots. The first Leaf on that list is Brodie with 159, he won’t be back so you have to go down to Reilly with 137.

I hate to break it to you but Parayko is one of the worst analytical dmen in the league and has made 'worst contract list' the past like 3 years. I don't think he's as bad as the analytics would tell you but if he's your top guy your team isn't going to be good.

Also don't how you think they're going to be actual cup contenders anytime soon. Dvorsky is a good prospect but likely ends up being a 2C at most, every other prospect doesn't have the ceiling to make them contenders and their defense is all older players. They have holes everywhere and players with age gaps that won't work together.

Maybe they make the playoffs for the next couple years but Anaheim will pass them soon, Arizona has a brighter future, not even counting the teams that are already better than them and likely stay that way. Then there's like 5 teams in the east with a better looking future than them.

When they moved of from ROR and Petro they needed a full year down, now they'll just be stuck in the middle and go as far as Thomas takes them

Truth hurts, I know

2 million and he plays both sides

You know parayko isn't that crazy good I could've signed a better defenseman in FA but had to trade Marner.

I understand he can't be easily replaced and I understand Marner isn't the piece they'd be looking for if they did move on from him.

But iv also been told that he's more valuable than Marner, delusional, that he's a a top pairing RHD, he's not and that Marner isn't needed, every team needs a star offensive forward.

In my mind the Blues will always be a mid level team because of this. They thought he was going to step up with Petro gone and found out he's really a #4 on a contender and not an actual top pairing dman. Now they're going to be stuck in the middle with no real way out unless they tear it down, which they won't do because Thomas and Kyrou is there

I hate to break it to you but Parayko is one of the worst analytical dmen in the league and has made 'worst contract list' the past like 3 years. I don't think he's as bad as the analytics would tell you but if he's your top guy your team isn't going to be good.

Also don't how you think they're going to be actual cup contenders anytime soon. Dvorsky is a good prospect but likely ends up being a 2C at most, every other prospect doesn't have the ceiling to make them contenders and their defense is all older players. They have holes everywhere and players with age gaps that won't work together.

Maybe they make the playoffs for the next couple years but Anaheim will pass them soon, Arizona has a brighter future, not even counting the teams that are already better than them and likely stay that way. Then there's like 5 teams in the east with a better looking future than them.

When they moved of from ROR and Petro they needed a full year down, now they'll just be stuck in the middle and go as far as Thomas takes them

The blues trade is fair.
Blues get a top five playmaker in the league extended and the blues also get a future 20 - 30 goal guy in Robertson and get liljegren that has potential but could become a good defenseman for the blues also get a fast fourth line forward that's only like 25 and a young defenseman in Timmons decent offensively

I hate to break it to you but Parayko is one of the worst analytical dmen in the league and has made 'worst contract list' the past like 3 years. I don't think he's as bad as the analytics would tell you but if he's your top guy your team isn't going to be good.

Also don't how you think they're going to be actual cup contenders anytime soon. Dvorsky is a good prospect but likely ends up being a 2C at most, every other prospect doesn't have the ceiling to make them contenders and their defense is all older players. They have holes everywhere and players with age gaps that won't work together.

Maybe they make the playoffs for the next couple years but Anaheim will pass them soon, Arizona has a brighter future, not even counting the teams that are already better than them and likely stay that way. Then there's like 5 teams in the east with a better looking future than them.

When they moved of from ROR and Petro they needed a full year down, now they'll just be stuck in the middle and go as far as Thomas takes them

Dom Luszczyszyn hates the Blues, that’s why Colt55 is on the list, he’s been hurt for 3 years too. Dvorsky at 2C is where every Blue fan projects him to be. You also forgot about Knies’ buddy Snuggerud, in his prime he has the potential to be a 40 G guy. Bolduc has been steady, Dean is a scrappy player, and Stenberg/Lindstein aren’t here yet. Look at all the contracts coming off the books for STL in 2-4 years. No more Hayes, Krug, Faulk, Saad, Schenn's close to expiring at that point. STL will get a decent player in this years draft too. Their future is miles better than Toronto’s, that’s for sure. OTT, MTL, BUF, DET will be better than the Leafs, TB, FLA, and BOS aren’t going away either.

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Good luck signing a 1RD for 6.5mil. He wasn't good the last few years because of back injuries. He single-handedly carried this horrible Blues defense this year. He's a great defensive d-man that shuts down the opponents top players





No disrespect, but everything you said was incorrect. Parayko is a top RD, no matter what the analytics say because they don't incorporate how bad his partner always is. It also doesn't factor in the nagging back injuries he had for a few years. Finally when fully healthy this year, he was an excellent shut down guy all while doing it with Leddy as a partner. Plus, why is everyone trying to trade for him to put him on the top pairing? Because he is a 1RD at a good contract of 6.5 mil, something you cannot find in FA

You clearly have no idea how analytics work. They absolutely do account for who your partner is and they account for how difficult the competition you face is. Parayko was almost a 1RD when Petro was there but without him the Blues have declined and it's easy to see it's because Parayko isn't as good as you're trying to make him out to be.

I'm not out here saying he's horrible but he's not a top pairing dman on a contender and it's been pretty clear that's the case since the Blues have massively struggled since him being there #1 guy. They needed to sell after that cup win and because they didn't they'll be a mid tier team until it happens, maybe they make the playoffs but they'll never be a serious threat for the cup