Dunn was never doing to be as good as he is now if he stayed in stl and the same is probably true for walman and Mikkola.

pietrangelo wanted to leave. Dunn was gone trough expantion draft, you would have lost a dman either way.

I guess you could have resigned o'reilly. not sure if he wanted to, but you traded him to have more youth too.

The only time Pietrangelo ever anything remotely resembling that he "wanted" to leave was in the quotes right after he signed with Vegas where was like "yeah when I didn't have a contract four weeks before UFA I began to like the idea of leaving". They had OVER a year to give him another contract before then (extra time they uniquely had because of the COVID pause) and all they did was extend Faulk at market rate, extend Scandella at market rate (when they didn't even know what the cap would be), and dick Pierangelo around on contract structure. I'm not doing revisionist history on what is arguably the biggest reason the Blues' contention window shut.

You would have kept Dunn by exposing Krug, and you probably would have been able to keep both. You almost certainly lose Tarasenko in that case, maybe Walman if Seattle liked his upside.



If you shed three very different styles of defenseman and all three go on to be better on three different teams and the natural reaction is "well they never could have been that here" then you likely have a player development problem.

I agree. We definitely have an issue with coaches not knowing how to develop young defenders.

Petro wasnt offered enough money, he wanted to stay though
Dunn couldve been protected and its most likely barbashev gone in the expansion draft
Saying ROR was traded to give youth a chance only to bring in hayes to replace him doesnt make sense

All 3 were good in stl? huh? that makes no sense

interesting, i thought pietrangelo wanted to move on.

I’m not saying that they weren’t good. I’m saying that Dunn isn’t going to become a number 1 defenseman staying in stl, Walman is as good as he is because he gets to play with seider

Petro wanted to stay, at the time I think there were reports it could have been done for $8,500,000. The issue was he wanted a full NTC and Doug didn’t want to give him it for all 8 years. And in this scenario, we don’t trade for Faulk after we do win the cup and then we don’t have the 2 “top 4” right D making it seem like we are okay to let our best player (Petro) leave. If we kept Petro, we don’t sign krug or have Faulk. We protect Dunn, Petro, and Parakyo. In that scenario, Seattle likely would have gone with Tarasenko or Barbashev. And then for the youth thing, that was kind of the point in this was keep our stars and embrace our young guys. We would integrate both and ROR at 1 million more makes a lot more sense to me than Hayes at 3.5mil.



Why not? The advanced analytics were there on Dunn we were just reluctant to give the younger guys more chance. If we don’t have the older guys in the way, Dunn has to be the top pair LD and I think he would have definitely steppped up to it. He may not be the 1 pp guy cause petro but he wouldn’t have to be #1. He would have been the #2/3 with parayko. And for walman and mikkola, I think both looked solid. When we traded walman for leddy, it was clear to me at least that walman was better but “didn’t have enough experience” so instead we throw in sunny and a second to downgrade. In this scenario, 2020 and 2021 may have been slight down years as those guys developed but they would have been better this yeah and last year. Blues this team has better contract structure and more youth throughout the roster. Basically my point in all this was we didn’t have to have a bottom 5 D core in the league with the worst D core contract situation.

I agree, i meant trade ROR to draft a prospect with the pick.

maybe i was misonformed it seems on pietrangelo, i was sure he wanted to test FA and the comments on this thread seems to go in a different way.

i disagree, those two would be playing top 4 minutes with Petro and Parayko. which is the same as playing with seider.

I like what you've done here. I think that id also bring Barbashev back.

With regards to Petro, I believe that you're absolutely correct. Armstrong brought Faulk over within weeks of winning the Cup because he was not going to get a deal done with Petro. The message was loud and clear. There were not enough minutes or dollars to support 3 high end RHD and Parayko wasn't going anywhere. Petro, and his agent, knew they were getting jerked around, got pissed off and left. DA appears to have made a feeble attempt to mend the fence and extend Petro when Faulk had a poor showing in his first year with the Blues. But it was too little, too late.

Giving Dunn away for nothing was utter folly. They should have left Krug unprotected. Seattle was not going to take that terrible contract off your hands anyway.

Nice job.

Thanks man, IMO signing Petro definitely would have meant no krug. And don’t have Barby cause I assume he’d have been taken instead if our 3 protected D in 2021 (Petro, Dunn, Parayko) D left unprotected would have been walman, bortuzzo, maybe Edmund on in this scenario since we wouldn’t have traded for Faulk, potentially scandella alrought id prefer to have not signed him after we traded for him cause the Bowmeister going down. Think they’d pick Barby or Vladdy. Either way, hard to make the money work at this point.