maybe come up with an offer utah would actually consider?

i dont think toronto really has any pieces they would want.

Lol, goes from offering a bunch of meh for parayko and now that same meh (plus Minten) for Keller

Leafs fans and poor offers, never gets old

I get Liljegren and Robertson show up in a lot of ACGMs, but they are far from meh pieces. Liljegren is a fantastic defenseman, one that the Leafs would be more than happy to keep. Robertson is a very talented winger who has been playing great recently. Minten is a top prospect who does so much right while also being a fantastic leader.n

Simply seeing these guys a lot doesn't make them garbage. They are valuable young players with long NHL careers ahead of them. Its also worth noting that Keller had a full NTC, he basically decides where he's going (if he wants out, which is what this scenario hinges on). The only reason you see these 2 get dealt so much is because they are distinctly Dubas players and not Treliving players. There is a discrepancy between what Treliving wants and what Dubas wanted. The fit between Toronto and Liljegren/Robertson doesn't make sense, but they are by no means "meh"...

Arizona/Utah get:
- A young top pairing defenseman who fits their timelinr
- A legit young roster player who fits their timeline and has produced extremely well on the Leafs despite limited ice time
- A top prospect praised for his leadership and talent, plays center, and fits the timeline
- An additional 1st round pick to add to the already stacked pipeline
- A later pick

If Keller were to want out of that organization given all the recent discourse, I think that is a pretty admirable return for the Yotes. Liljegren would easily be their best defenseman, Robertson would almost certainly be top 3 in goal scoring, and Minten would be an everyday guy. But sure, we have don't have any pieces they would want.

I swear Robertson and Liljegren get mistaken for AHLers the way they are treated on this website. Leafs would be more than happy to keep both

Yeah, i dont really agree with your characterizaions of your players.

One thing is certain on cap friendly - rival fans hate / jealousy of Leafs will always trump objective analysis. Other teams are allowed to have good young players & prospects but not the Leafs.
Gotta think Keller’s relationship with Matthews - not to mention Toronto being the premier franchise in the league - would place Leafs near top of his wish list if he demands out.

Robertson has more 5v5 goals per 60 than everyone on your team (except Jack Quinn). Get that you hate the Leafs - a lot of rival fans do 🤷🏻 - but try to stay objective. Robertson has proven he can score at this level - facts are facts

Or maybe the offer isn't fair

Robertson and Lily while nice are not top end player. Lily is a 2nd pairing d-man who is 25 and Robertson might be a nice top 6 player. Minten and the late first are the most valuable piece. Arizona would want Knies in any trade

Cool. I don't hate the Leafs.

Sounds like he should be played more, instead of being traded, by Leafs fans, in every single agm.

Again I don't agree with how the Leafs fans characterized the Leafs players being traded

Not everyone that has an opinion HATES the Leafs.

It must be awful to be a sports fan with that attitude

He should be played more, but he isn't because of what the Leafs value at the moment. Guys like Bertuzzi, Knies, McMann, and Dewar are all LWs that the Leafs value in high regard due to physicality / defensive play / PK ability, Robertson is not a fit on this team. That's not to say he's a bad player (far from it actually), just that there's no room on the Leafs. That's why you're seeing him traded left right and center. There's just nowhere for him to play.

Robby being traded endlessly isn't a reflection of who he is as a player, it's a reflection of Torontos changing roster philosophies. Nick Robertson is an extremely valuable player and I guarantee if he was given top 6 ice time, he'd breakout.

Ah, the jeremy bracco/kapanen/johnsson argument. He's awesome, but the people above him are awesomer

Are you arguing the Leafs aren’t a better team than the Sabres or Coyotes? Clearly a tougher assignment to break into our top 6 compared to yours. How come I can acknowledge Buffalso has good young players but somehow you can’t / won’t acknowledge that he Leafs do? Even when stats (facts) backup that they are having good to great years.

I defend marner, Tavares and nylander on here more than most leaf fans.

I am simply calling this a poor offer for clayton keller.

You came in with the massive chip on your shoulder

Keep digging; a 2nd pairing RHD that is only 25 (& cost controlled) and a 2nd line winger that is only 22 and 19th in the total league this year in goals per 60 at 5v5 have no value?
The whole premise here - if I understood correctly - was that Keller wants out. Coyotes in that situation will not get fair value but this a hell of an offer by any objective measure

As objective as calling a guy playing 11:20 a night a 2nd line winger?

No chip, just calling out obvious anti Leaf bs bias 🤷🏻

other teams will beat this offer lol. They have value but aren't top pieces. Keller is an elite top line winger, Knies would have to be in ANY package

You see it everywhere. In your dreams probably.

Must be miserable. Almost every post you make cries about people's biases. You should invest in a mirror

I was responding to the guy that referred to him as top 6 potential. Tough to make top 6 on our team; on the Sabres or Coyotes - clearly he would have a better chance

😂 #rentfree
Enjoy the draft; maybe next year, I’ll try to make the drive to one of the Leafs home games in Buffalo 😎

Cool, have fun.

You do realize that the Sabres can be bad and this proposed trade be bad at the same time right?

My team not being good doesn't make me wrong

You too, maybe one day you can cheer for an actual nhl team and not just against a better one

Not even remotely close, Robertson has played very well for the Leafs. Him not playing is no fault of his own, and has nothing to do with skill. Its all about the type of player Robertson is. Treliving wants to surround the core 4 with guys like Domi and Bertuzzi; Grindy and supportive wingers. Robertson is able to drive play effectively on his own and is a very talented scorer. The thing is, he doesn't PK, he doesn't throw the body, and he doesn't work the greasy areas to support our top guys. The wingers who get the larger stake of playtime do these things. Domi is a great playmaker and has been a solid physical presence. Bertuzzi works the front of the net and creates chances for Matthews, McMann is a speedy forechecker with a good shot, Dewar is great defensively and PKs extremely well. Their games go beyond scoring goals, whereas Robertsons entire game is scoring goals. When you have Matthews, Marner, and Nylander, the last thing you need is someone like Robertson.

Robertson does things that our other wingers don't, but unfortunately the things he does just isn't necessary on this team. Not sure what you're struggling to grasp here. You're clearly just clinging to this untrue narrative without being at all familiar with how Nick Robertson plays

I think it's more; there's only 9 spots in the top 9: the obvious 4: Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Nylander take up 4/9 spots...

Bertuzzi and Domi take up the other 2/9 spots... So that means 6/9 spots are taken...

In this scenario, Keller takes up another spot: 7/9 spots

Knies will/has taken up a spot: 8/9 spots

McMann's earned his way onto a spot: 9/9 spots

Robertson should get a spot: 10/9 spots

Holmberg deserves a spot: 11/9 spots

Jarnkrok should have a spot: 12/9 spots

We all know Robertson shouldn't be on the 4rth line, so he and 10/11 other guys are competing for 9 spots, with 6 of them basically being locked up...