Those are brutal signings by the Leafs . Way too much term for guys in their 30s., Even with Tavares on LTIR, the author still compose a lineup with seven NHL Dmen.

No one knows what was offered to the Pens for Gentzel. His 12 team trade list makes his him difficult trade. Taking back the current edition of Bunting may be the worse part of the trade.

Defensemen Treliving brings in from CGY/TOR combined:
- Edmundson who has 2 SCF appearances (44 GP in total on two runs) and 1 Stanley cup
- Weegar
- Andersson
- Tanev
- Zadorov
- Benoit
- Hanifin
- Lyubushkin
- Gudbranson

Defensemen Dubas brings in from TOR/PIT combined :
- Cody Ceci
- Tyson Barrie
- TJ Brodie
- Mark Giordano
- Victor Mete
- Mac Hollowell
- Ryan Graves
- Erik Karlsson
- Jake McCabe (only good move)

I know which defense group I'm taking

Lol, embarrassing

yeah I know, the guys Dubas brought in are embarrassing and pathetic. Who gives Erik Karlsson $10M LMAO. Can't believe he gave up a heart and soul guy in Kadri for Tyson NoBarries and Cody Ceci

Feels like tre created a burner account on CF

I know your bad at this bit, but it's extra hilarious when you leave out lole half od dubas' d trades and signings so you can pretend to be mad about mete and hollowell. Yourean embarrassment to trolls everywhere

Because Dubas built this team on the fantasy that you can win with skill alone He left the cupboard bare

And now he's in Pitts and in a tough spot as they should rebuilt but can't because they have Sid so he will keep going forward like getting Karlsson etc

I listed other guys. I'm pretty sure you can make a SC team of all the mistakes Dubas has made as GM

Did I just find a smart Leafs fan?

Lybushkin only counts when treliving trades for him, eh?

Weird how all these other teams with similar prospect and pick pools added a bunch of good players and not bottom roster guys who wouldn't even make those rosters like treliving did.
But i guess good gms dont need excuses like treliving does

GMs make their biggest mistakes at the trade deadline and July 1st Sometimes the best moves you make are the ones you don't

Dubas was busy everyyear for the Leaf's and what did that get him? The Leaf's went out and got everyone in the 90's and what they they end up with? This team is not Vegas, Florida, Boston or Colorado so I think it was smart not to get rid of the little assets you have if its not going to bring in a real difference maker

Dubas did what every single GM of a good team does at the deadline, try and get better and fill weaknesses. Treliving threw away 6 picks for guys he didnt need that didnt make the team better so if he knew they werent going to compete then why waste picks like that? Why bring in old middling players that were at the bottom parts of bad rosters?
Dubas made some mistakes sure, but Treliving has been a bag of used diapers and the team has only gotten worse and worse the longer he's been here and the more moves he's made

He did not move any assets of value and did improve the teams PK by adding Dewar and Edmundson. This team is good enough that if they get hot can win some rounds however not good enough to be considered a top contender for the cup.

Nothing Brad has done would be considered a huge mistake that has set the team back. Not sure how this team is weaker than last year. If you are comparing it to the team that went into the playoffs then yes but Brad did not have the same assets to trade then Dubas did

Edmundson and Dewar dont improve the PK though, the Wild have a significantly worse PK than the Leafs and Edmundson was the 2nd least trusted defender on the Caps for tough situations. These were utterly wasted assets for no gain. Edmundson just flat out stinks (so does Lybushkin) and Dewar is fine as a 4c, but the leafs already had a 4C that brad just signed to a massive extension so now they have two 4c's.
If you throw 4 bucks down the sewer you arnt suddenly poor but you wasted the 4 bucks.

Its like buying a lottery ticket. Chances are you are not going to win the cup because of it. If it dose not work out you won't look back and think man I really wish they had that 5th round pick. but if you win a round or 2 because you had some depth or options then it was worth it

your first comment in this thread was lamenting the Leafs for not having trade capital because of Dubas' spending and now your saying that you wont look back and wish they had the picks?

They don't have high end trade capital After the 2nd round they have little value

and the players they got with them have less value than the picks, especially for a team that didnt need more bottom pairing defenders or a 4C. Dubas went and filled actual team needs with his futures, which is what a smart GM of a team trying to win does. They dont just bring in crap players so they can pretend they did something and help with their tall player kink

With the exception of a few teams is that not what most teams did/Do? You have to remember that these trades also show the current team that you believe in them or that you added pieces to improve them. It more than just a paper move. Players play better/worse under different coaches/systems teammates etc there are many other reasons to make these deals

so these players could be better under the leafs system and coaching, or they could be worse? what kind of excuse for wasting assets on not good players is this? C'mon man you're fishing now. The team is, at best, as good as it was 3 weeks ago and it wasnt good enough then. So the team spent assets to not get any better is literally the best case scenario. They have all the same weaknesses, no issues have been fixed and now the team has less assets to improve them in the summer.
Hell, you know who Brad Treliving drafted with 3rd rounders or later before? Mangiapane, Fox and Wolf. I take a shot at one of those guys over a big slow defender who cant even work himself up the lineup on a lotto team any day.

Question If the Leaf's took the Vegas approach and added Hanifin and Hertel(or a 2c/3C) at the cost of not having a pick in the first 3 rounds in the next 3 drafts would that have been better? and what situation would the Leaf's be in this summer if they did not win the cup?

yes, it would have been better because the leafs would be a better team and have a better shot at the cup, the entire point is to get better so you can try and win. So yes, I would prefer them to go all out and lose than for them to just shuffle some deck chairs, throw some picks in the trash and lose.

I would agree if this team was on the cusp of winning the cup but this team is not so we would be left with nothing no cup and no future

Like the 90s