Blues likely accept that, but its unlikely they want to take on Goodrow.

Disagree. And if they won't take Goodrow, then why would they accept?

I think the Wennberg deal has a decent shot at being exactly what happens with rumours of Wennberg to NYR going around. The value is solid

Your titular instincts are excellent. Your description acumen is... noooot great. You don't need to convince Blues fans. You need to convince Army. Coming from a team with a bunch of fine young Dmen, this ain't gonna cut it. Nor should it. The Blues hold all 52 cards in this situation. Plus the jokers and that one we all throw out with some sort of writing nobody reads. They are not selling. Everyone is coming to them. Viva la difference. The onus is on them to blow Army's mind. He's made that exceedingly clear.

Everything about the deal is fine except for taking back Goodrow. Buch will probably be traded closer to the draft I imagine when the price isn't so astronomical. Probably the most expensive buy on the market right now besides maybe someone like Saros.

It's not a value proposition that most are hard to please on. It's that we have one very glaring hole in the system, and frankly i'm not moving Buchnevich or Parayko especially (not pointed towards this proposal) without addressing it. Value alone this is a very fair offer. Fit wise I don't see how it helps us address our problems that we cannot internally address without the profound off chance that the Rangers pick is in the teens, to late teens.

and getting two 1sts and Othmann is a lot lmao. Buch is great but he isnt getting anything better than that

If he wants to not sell then fine but if hes selling, who would ever offer more? Cmon lmao

Unless if hes looking for a hockey trade or something along those lines, there are no top prospects that seem likely to be moved across the league so unless you wanna wait til the draft you arent getting what you want

cause 3 first round assets is hella tempting

What I don't understand is blues fans seem to want a defenseman ir return but you have 4 dmen with full NTC.... until you can move one of them its pointless. Also miller was pick 22 and Schneider was 19, you can always use the picks from the rangers to move up or trade for a already drafted d prospect. The value here is so far past a fair trade, anyone who says "no" because it doesn't have a young dman is insane. Also the buyout for goody isn't bad and that's probably what the Rangers end up doing anyway.

You have a very low bar for what constitutes "three 1st round assets". Two late 1sts, one deferred a year, an A-/B+ prospect who is not a Dman and Goodrow does not add up to three 1st round assets for me. And like I keep saying, we're not Chicago. A draft pick heavy offer is not enticing unless one of those is a very high 24 1st. They actually have players we would crave. Like plural. At the right position, the right age, the right value. None of those are here. This is an offer you give to San Jose. We're not San Jose. Straight "value" is not the only consideration. Honestly, it may not even be the lead consideration. Maybe co-lead.

You like it, cool. I want something more suitable if he has to go, which I'm not actually for anyway. Same as Army.

We'll probably end up buying out Krug, if we can't move him. We need a defenseman to fit into our core age range. The issue in general is there is no certainty. In terms of fair I meant approvable. Factoring picks is a major risk in terms of hoping one of the defenseman pan out that are available in that range. Trading up isn't always an option either.

Rangers should just buy out Goodrow over paying to trade him. His cap hit is negligible for 5 of the 6 years they'd have to pay him, one year including a negative cap hit.

1 - Why would we need to move anyone to add an ELC Dman?

2 - Heh. Ya know, if the Blues did a trade taking back Goodrow, they would not buy him out. They would play the hell out of him. Because no two teams are int he same situation. Therefore, "value" is far from the only consideration.

I'm genuinely baffled as to how this is unclear in any way. The Blues have one legit top 4 young Dman in their pool. Generally, teams who win stuff have more than one legit top 4 Dman in their line-up. Most tend to prefer having four. Whatever happens with Krug, Faulk and Leddy, I can promise you none of them will be playing for the Blues in a few years. Which brings us back around to the top 10-ish prospect pool that has only has one legit top 4 Dman to speak of. It's not enough. Meanwhile, the Blues have an enviable stable of forward prospects. Loaded to the gills, baby. And that's before we even factor in RobTom, Mitts, Neighbours and Torp.

So what are you missing here? It seems plain as day. Help me help you.

I'm not missing anything... what you're confusing as me missing something is your bias...

I genuinely have no clue what it is you imagine qualifies as "bias" in this entire comment. The whole points of the comment are: 1) the Blues would not buy out Goodrow, they would play him in an important role for them & 2) the Blues D prospect pool is super shallow and the Rangers D prospect pool is overflowing.

Seriously, what do you think reeks of bias there? None of that even qualifies as a pro-bias take. Again, I'm straight up baffled. But hey, flail as you like, man. You do you.

What do you mean when you say "the Rangers D prospect pool is overflowing."? Are you talking about miller and Schneider? Because I would consider either as prospect and besides them the actual d prospects is lacking... so I think you might need to brush up on the prospect pools...

Pardon, young DMen/prospects - my phrase was too narrow. Miller, Lindgren, Schneider are the primary examples, but I would not skip over Fortescue and Robertson, either. When you only have one legit top 4 young Dman, 3-4-5 looks like overflowing, yes.

Still unclear on where my "bias" is rearing its ugly head, but whatever. Apparently, your biggest argument is that I overrated your D prospect pool.

Your bias is coming in because when you're getting a massive overpayment like this and you wanna complain that your team doesn't have enough dman so it's not good enough because there's no dmen in the trade. That's just a dumb take. no other team would send this much for buch so smartest option is to take the most value you can gets and flip for what you need.