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Créé par: Leafs_Fan3416
Équipe: 2023-24 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 29 févr. 2024
Publié: 29 févr. 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
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NYR
  1. Tarasenko, Vladimir (1 250 000 $ retained)
OTT
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (NYR)
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NYR
SEA
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (DAL)
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for retaining 25% on tarasenko
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29 févr. à 11 h 36
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Not happening. Rangers are not able to retain any money on Tarasenko because of the trade rules.
29 févr. à 11 h 37
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Quoting: Cornbreadnhl
Not happening. Rangers are not able to retain any money on Tarasenko because of the trade rules.


Those darn rules.
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29 févr. à 11 h 38
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Quoting: Cornbreadnhl
Not happening. Rangers are not able to retain any money on Tarasenko because of the trade rules.


Yes I know that, Seattle is the one retaining. Probably should have put that under Seattle but the rangers are not retaining, obviously due to trade rules
29 févr. à 11 h 38
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Quoting: Cornbreadnhl
Not happening. Rangers are not able to retain any money on Tarasenko because of the trade rules.


This is correct. They can get him but at the full cap hit so I don’t see it happening
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29 févr. à 11 h 40
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Trade is illegal.

And a 2nd doesn't get Tarasenko.

Try again.
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29 févr. à 11 h 41
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Quoting: SlimTJ100
This is correct. They can get him but at the full cap hit so I don’t see it happening


I agree, but at his full cap hit they could still fit him, but that would eliminate any other trade possibilities. I hope Drury doesn't do it.
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Quoting: sensonfire
Trade is illegal.

And a 2nd doesn't get Tarasenko.

Try again.


The illegal part was a mis type on my part
I think a 2nd gets tarasenko tbh, hasn't had a mind blowing season but I can see since some teams are demanding firsts for guys like Dowd (weird) I can see Tarasenko getting a first
29 févr. à 11 h 44
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Quoting: Leafs_Fan3416
The illegal part was a mis type on my part
I think a 2nd gets tarasenko tbh, hasn't had a mind blowing season but I can see since some teams are demanding firsts for guys like Dowd (weird) I can see Tarasenko getting a first


He's likely the best forward available not named Jake Guentzel, I think if they retain on him they should be able to get a 1st from a contender like Vegas or Dallas. But part of me also thinks they would prefer a 2nd and a near-nhl ready prospect over a late 1st.
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29 févr. à 12 h 0
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Rangers cant hVe OTT retain any money not sure why ranger fans dont know this
29 févr. à 12 h 10
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Quoting: Islanders13
Rangers cant hVe OTT retain any money not sure why ranger fans dont know this


Probably because it's not common knowledge. The wording in the CBA is so convoluted it's easy for people to get confused by it. But relating it to just Ranger fans is just ignorant.
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29 févr. à 12 h 14
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Quoting: Cornbreadnhl
Not happening. Rangers are not able to retain any money on Tarasenko because of the trade rules.


Quoting: SlimTJ100
This is correct. They can get him but at the full cap hit so I don’t see it happening


Quoting: sensonfire
Trade is illegal.

And a 2nd doesn't get Tarasenko.

Try again.


Quoting: Islanders13
Rangers cant hVe OTT retain any money not sure why ranger fans dont know this


Quoting: BFN36NYR
Probably because it's not common knowledge. The wording in the CBA is so convoluted it's easy for people to get confused by it. But relating it to just Ranger fans is just ignorant.



Tarasenko signed a 1 year deal in OTT as a UFA... He can be traded to NYR with retention. WTF are these ppl talking about??
It would be against the rules if NYR traded Tarasenko to OTT. That never happened.
"If a team retains salary on a trade, they cannot reacquire that player for one year from the date of the transaction, unless the contract ends prior to one year. " The contract ended!
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29 févr. à 12 h 15
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Quoting: TkachukNorris79
He's likely the best forward available not named Jake Guentzel, I think if they retain on him they should be able to get a 1st from a contender like Vegas or Dallas. But part of me also thinks they would prefer a 2nd and a near-nhl ready prospect over a late 1st.


A second and a prospect seems about right, but highly unlikely its to the Rangers.
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29 févr. à 12 h 17
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Tarasenko signed a 1 year deal in OTT as a UFA... He can be traded to NYR with retention. WTF are these ppl talking about??
It would be against the rules if NYR traded Tarasenko to OTT. That never happened.
"If a team retains salary on a trade, they cannot reacquire that player for one year from the date of the transaction, unless the contract ends prior to one year. " The contract ended!


Its not one year, its one calendar year. Meaning they can't reaquire him with retention until next season. The fact that his old contract ended is irrelevant.
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29 févr. à 12 h 19
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Quoting: BFN36NYR
Its not one year, its one calendar year. Meaning they can't reaquire him with retention until next season.


THE CONTRACT ENDED! Tarasenko became a UFA then signed another contract! NYR can acquire him directly from OTT with retention if they want. The "one calendar year" doesn't apply!
29 févr. à 12 h 25
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THE CONTRACT ENDED! Tarasenko became a UFA then signed another contract! NYR can acquire him directly from OTT with retention if they want. The "one calendar year" doesn't apply!


From the CBA

(4) Reacquire as part of a Retained Salary Transaction the SPC of a Player who was on that Club's Reserve List within the past calendar year;
Illustration: If Club A Trades the SPC of a Player to Club B (the "Initial Trade"), Club B cannot subsequently Trade an SPC of such Player back to Club A within one (1) calendar year from the date of the Initial Trade and retain a portion of the Averaged Amount of that SPC pursuant to a Retained Salary Transaction. However, Club B may Trade an SPC of the Player back to Club A within one (1) calendar year from the date of the Initial Trade if Club B does not retain any portion of such Player's SPC

The rule essentially means that a team cannot acquire a player with retained salary, if that player was on the team's reserve list at any point in the past calendar year (2023).

Whether the players is on the same contract or not, is irrelevant. The restriction is about re-acquiring the player, NOT re-acquiring the contract.
29 févr. à 12 h 28
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From the CBA

(4) Reacquire as part of a Retained Salary Transaction the SPC of a Player who was on that Club's Reserve List within the past calendar year;
Illustration: If Club A Trades the SPC of a Player to Club B (the "Initial Trade"), Club B cannot subsequently Trade an SPC of such Player back to Club A within one (1) calendar year from the date of the Initial Trade and retain a portion of the Averaged Amount of that SPC pursuant to a Retained Salary Transaction. However, Club B may Trade an SPC of the Player back to Club A within one (1) calendar year from the date of the Initial Trade if Club B does not retain any portion of such Player's SPC

The rule essentially means that a team cannot acquire a player with retained salary, if that player was on the team's reserve list at any point in the past calendar year (2023).

Whether the players is on the same contract or not, is irrelevant. The restriction is about re-acquiring the player, NOT re-acquiring the contract.


You're wrong. It's 1000% about reacquiring the contract! New contract eliminates the "one calendar year" rule you're refering to. The Illustration is pretty clear on a player being REACQUIRED(meaning they're returning from the team that they were traded to)! It's a new contract... there is no REACQUISITION!
29 févr. à 12 h 31
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You're wrong. It's 1000% about reacquiring the contract! New contract eliminates the "one calendar year" rule you're refering to. The Illustration is pretty clear on a player being REACQUIRED!


Literally quoting the CBA and what numerous insiders have said and what has been discussed on TSN, but I'm wrong.
29 févr. à 12 h 41
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Literally quoting the CBA and what numerous insiders have said and what has been discussed on TSN, but I'm wrong.


You copy/pasted your reply from a garbage forum... tears of joy
29 févr. à 12 h 47
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You copy/pasted your reply from a garbage forum... tears of joy


https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/37918450/source-tony-deangelo-return-hurricanes-slowed-cba

Same exact situation. Trade was held up, Philly ended up buying him out two weeks later.
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https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/37918450/source-tony-deangelo-return-hurricanes-slowed-cba

Same exact situation. Trade was held up, Philly ended up buying him out two weeks later.


LMAO it's not the same at all tears of joy
Tarasenko signed with OTT as a UFA!
29 févr. à 12 h 55
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LMAO it's not the same at all tears of joy
Tarasenko signed with OTT as a UFA!


Guess what TDA did with Philly. He signed there as a UFA. Before you say he was traded, his contract was expiring, which if you were correct the whole issue they had trading him the next summer wouldn't have happened. So yes, its the same thing.
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Guess what TDA did with Philly. He signed there as a UFA. Before you say he was traded, his contract was expiring, which if you were correct the whole issue they had trading him the next summer wouldn't have happened. So yes, its the same thing.


Wrong again... He signed as a RFA! That's what PHI purchased from CAR.
Get your facts right!
"The Flyers acquired the restricted free agent rights to DeAngelo, 27, from the Hurricanes on July 7, 2022, for three draft picks" literally from the link you posted!
29 févr. à 13 h 1
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Wrong again... He signed as a RFA! That's what PHI purchased from CAR.
Get your facts right!
"The Flyers acquired the restricted free agent rights to DeAngelo, 27, from the Hurricanes on July 7, 2022, for three draft picks" literally from the link you posted!


TBH, that doesn't really matter when the issue is about reaquiring him within a calendar year of trading him away.
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Quoting: BFN36NYR
You know you can type his name into this site to see he was a UFA when Philly signed him right? Also that doesn't really matter when the issue is about reaquiring him within a calendar year of trading him away.


LMFAO, try again.. Go to his 2021/22 contract and have a peek at EXPIRY STATUS: RFA (Arb)!!! He was a UFA AFTER PHI!
It matters because PHI traded for him, signed him as an RFA and tried to trade him back with retention. That's obviously cap circumvention!
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LMFAO, try again.. Go to his 2021/22 contract and have a peek at EXPIRY STATUS: RFA (Arb)!!! He was a UFA AFTER PHI!
It matters because PHI traded for him, signed him as an RFA and tried to trade him back with retention. That's obviously cap circumvention!


So they can't reaquire him with retention, which is what I was saying before, same reason the Rangers can't trade for Tarasenko. Its all about him being on the roster, leaving and being traded back. Contract status UFA or RFA doesn't matter. The only thing that does is that he was on the rangers payroll during the season, he can't be reaquired with retention for a full year.
 
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