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Using Puck Pedias new tool

Créé par: Kyle_Davidson
Équipe: 2024-25 Blackhawks de Chicago
Date de création initiale: 28 févr. 2024
Publié: 28 févr. 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
The description keeps deleting and I don’t want to rewrite it anymore, see this link to confirm the values
https://puckpedia.com/CapRelief
Transactions
1.
CHI
  1. Johansen, Ryan
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (COL)
Détails additionnels:
Cost to move = RD 2 #5 (37)

They lack this asset, or similar value lesser assets, so let’s modify the trade so that Chicago is properly compensated. There are a few ways to do this, this is just a suggestion that works in the machine

Chicago
(25) COL first Value: 14.46
R Johansen Value -8.32
Cost to make up : 6.14 (this is draft capital value sent to COL)
COL
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (LAK)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (CHI)
Détails additionnels:
LAK 2nd = (50) value: 5.00
A pick valued at 1.14 would be an early 4th round pick, which the hawks currently do no have. They could include a future 4th or make a trade for a pick valued in that range. Let’s say for this trade they do a 25 4th.
2.
CHI
  1. Lee, Anders
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NYI)
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (NYI)
Détails additionnels:
In the machine 2YL at 7 AAV = RD 1 #15. Currently the islanders 1st is at 12th so the difference can be described as the value between 12 and 15.

RD 1 #12 = 29.98
Lee negative value = 24.93
Difference = 5.05
The difference is reflected in the trade so that NYI are sending 31.028 and receiving 31.144
NYI
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (VAN)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (CHI)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2024
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Logo de COL
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Logo de OTT
Logo de NYI
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2025
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Logo de TOR
Logo de CHI
Logo de DAL
Logo de CHI
Logo de NYR
Logo de CHI
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2026
Logo de CHI
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Logo de TOR
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
1483 500 000 $58 397 500 $0 $4 500 000 $25 102 500 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 500 000 $$4M)
C
RFA - 2
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
AG, C, AD
RFA - 1
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
4 250 000 $4 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Islanders de New York
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
4 250 000 $4 250 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
918 333 $918 333 $ (Bonis de performance1 000 000 $$1M)
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
4 250 000 $4 250 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
4 400 000 $4 400 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
962 500 $962 500 $
G
RFA - 1

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28 févr. à 18 h 3
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I'd say there's probably a sharper drop off from 1st rd to 2nd rd than this tool implies
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I like the idea but I think it would apply more with lower picks idk if that makes sense
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Can't see the Av's or the Isles using their 1st rounders in these deals, even with the Hawks returning 2nd's in both trades.
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28 févr. à 18 h 10
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I would be happy if we get anything back for Lee even if we had to give up a first

Getting a 2nd back even if it is late would still help the prospect pool
28 févr. à 18 h 14
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Quoting: Hawksguy81
Can't see the Av's or the Isles using their 1st rounders in these deals, even with the Hawks returning 2nd's in both trades.


Agreed. Islanders would trade a 1st for a deadline player. I think the value is fine considering he is a cap dump. Main problem with this trade is that if you are trading your captain plus a first you better be signing or getting a player who helps the team win now
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28 févr. à 18 h 16
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Where do you find the values I could only see the cap relief?
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I'd say there's probably a sharper drop off from 1st rd to 2nd rd than this tool implies


Among fans? Maybe. But these tools are based on studies that are based on historical data and calculations to determine an average value of picks and cap relief. The difference in value between a 32nd OA pick and a 33rd OA pick is not very much, people only care when you give it the label of "a 1st" or "a 2nd".
28 févr. à 18 h 26
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Where do you find the values I could only see the cap relief?


There’s two tabs on the tool. One says Draft pick value calculator and one says salary cap relief.
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Quoting: Kyle_Davidson
There’s two tabs on the tool. One says Draft pick value calculator and one says salary cap relief.


Sorry I might be stupid I don’t get how the players value correlates to the draft pick value and how you got that playoffs value
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Sorry I might be stupid I don’t get how the players value correlates to the draft pick value and how you got that playoffs value


No, it’s an abstract concept I am applying in my own way. I’ll try to break it down here ~read this if the blues suck~

If you enter 4,000,000 into the salary relief tool with 1 year left, the displayed pick indicates what it historically has costed to move a contract of that value. In this case, the tool projects that the avalanche would need to include a 2nd round pick, 5th overall in that round, or the 37th overall pick. Each pick has a value assigned to it based on historical data for each spot (I assume), where higher picks have greater value.

In this post I am equating the draft pick compensation as the negative value to move that player. In other words, if the 37th pick is what’s projected to move that contract and that picks value is “8.32” normally then Ryan Johnson would have “-8.32” value to move for which Chicago would be compensated. In the mock trade, I suggested that as Colorodo does not have a 2nd of that value or much opportunity to mix and max assets to get to that 8.32 spot they should give Chicago there first and Chicago would send picks to make up the difference since they can. It would be like paying with a $20 bill and getting change from the store. In that case Chicago needs to make up 6.14 of draft pick value to make the trade fair for Colorodo which is then conveyed in picks valuing roughly that amount (2nd, 4th).

The tool does not account for the value of future picks, nor do calculations made today have the same value as after this season concludes. Depending on the results of the regular season, deadline, and playoffs who has what picks and where they are drafting change dramatically as in the case of the panthers making the SCF last year. Their draft picks went from being in the 15-20 range to number 31 which is a huge drop off.

I hope that helps, but let me know if I can explain something better.
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Quoting: Kyle_Davidson
No, it’s an abstract concept I am applying in my own way. I’ll try to break it down here ~read this if the blues suck~

If you enter 4,000,000 into the salary relief tool with 1 year left, the displayed pick indicates what it historically has costed to move a contract of that value. In this case, the tool projects that the avalanche would need to include a 2nd round pick, 5th overall in that round, or the 37th overall pick. Each pick has a value assigned to it based on historical data for each spot (I assume), where higher picks have greater value.

In this post I am equating the draft pick compensation as the negative value to move that player. In other words, if the 37th pick is what’s projected to move that contract and that picks value is “8.32” normally then Ryan Johnson would have “-8.32” value to move for which Chicago would be compensated. In the mock trade, I suggested that as Colorodo does not have a 2nd of that value or much opportunity to mix and max assets to get to that 8.32 spot they should give Chicago there first and Chicago would send picks to make up the difference since they can. It would be like paying with a $20 bill and getting change from the store. In that case Chicago needs to make up 6.14 of draft pick value to make the trade fair for Colorodo which is then conveyed in picks valuing roughly that amount (2nd, 4th).

The tool does not account for the value of future picks, nor do calculations made today have the same value as after this season concludes. Depending on the results of the regular season, deadline, and playoffs who has what picks and where they are drafting change dramatically as in the case of the panthers making the SCF last year. Their draft picks went from being in the 15-20 range to number 31 which is a huge drop off.

I hope that helps, but let me know if I can explain something better.


It helped. I read it 😞
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It helped. I read it 😞


Thanks for doing business.
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Thanks for doing business.


I just looked back in the site and I see the draft compensation area idk how I missed it
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