1.) Erik Karlsson
2.) Victor Hedman
3.) Drew Doughty
4.) Brent Burns
5.) Roman Josi
6.) Alex Peitrangelo
7.) PK Subban
8.) Shea Weber
9.) Oskar Klefbom
10.) Mattias Ekholm

1-Doughty
2- Karlsson
3- Josi
4-Hedman
5-Burns
6-Letang
7-Werenski
8-Weber
9-Pientrangelo
10- Keith

Letang can't stay healthy and Werenski is soo soo soo early to say on this list. If you have ZW, you have to have Provorov

Provorov Ekman Larsson Subban Ekblad and ellis is the 5 other

but what I'm saying is that Provorov and WW are so unproven.

its like poeple say mattews is a top 10 players

who says that?

Steve Dangle and every other annoying Leaf fan?

Probably something like this:
1 Doughty
2 Burns
3 Hedman
4 Josi
5 McDonagh
6 Ekblad
7 Giordano
8 Karlsson
9 Keith
10 OEL
Something like that.

Ekholm and Klefbom i definitely wouldn't put on my list.

Erik Karlsson 8th? I'm very very very confused right now. He had 82 points two years ago, lead all defenseman in scoring this year. How in the hell is he not top 3?

Ekholm is 9th in WAR, HERO chart of a #1, 2.6 CF% rel, 99.6 PDO

Klefbom is 3rd in WAR, HERO chart of a #1, 7.6 PS, 100.5 PDO, 15 GC

edit : Ekholm is 7th in WAR

fair enough, i could maybe put Karlsson higher. 4th or 5th okay?

Also, those are just stats.

Karlsson is top 1.

So what if they are justs stats? Do you know what WAR Is or what PDO is or PS?

i don't know what those stats are.
and yeah, Karlsson might be number 1, though i think Doughty is number 1.

Then why did you just say "those are just stats" if you don't even know how to properly analyze them?

What statistical evidence do you have to support your contention that Doughty is better than Karlsson

1 Doughty
2 Karlsson
3 Hedman
4 Keith
5 Josi
6 Burns
7 Weber
8 Suter
9 Pietrangelo
10 OEL

Honorable mentions: Subban, McDonagh, Giordano

and I'm ranking this list as top 10 most complete Dmen. If it were best offensive Dmen, Karlsson would #1.

Karlsson is #1. Period. There's ZERO question

1) Erik Karlsson
2) Victor Hedman
3) Drew Doughty
4) Brent Burns
5) PK Subban
6) Alex Pietrangelo
7) Kris Letang (When healthy)
8) Roman Josi
9) Shea Weber
10) Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Honourable mentions: Duncan Kieth, Ryan Suter, Matthias Ekholm, Marc Eduard Vlassic, Mark Giordano

1) Erik Karlsson
2) Drew Doughty
3) Victor Hedman
4) Duncan Keith
5) Brent Burns
6) OEL
7) Shea Weber
8) Roman Josi
9) Kris Letang (would be higher if no injury)
10) Alex Petriangelo

1. Karlsson
2. Hedman
3. Doughty
4. Subban
5. Burns
6. Keith
7. Pietrangelo
8. Giordano
9. Ekman-Larsson
10. Letang

1. Karlsson
2. Hedman
3. Doughty
4. Josi
5. Suter
6. Burns
7.OEL
8. Big Buff
10. Werenski

You missed #9....and Big Buff is trash

none, but when i'm watching the game is when i decide how good i think a player is. Sure, Karlsson i think could even be top 3, i just don't think he's number 1.

Byfuglien?

so you watched all of these guys play? the stats I use are directly from what you watch, so im not sure how they can be negated

are there stats for stuff like skating, amounts of time all at once with the puck, etc?