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RyJo is negative value, Isles could get more/a better deal IMO

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I believe Nelson gets a better package. Johansen is a negative value, Behrens is an undersized D-man (no interest in him), Meyers is a 25 yr old AHL player, The picks are fine.

Just need a better package of players

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Quoting: joshelkin

RyJo is negative value, Isles could get more/a better deal IMO

I’d agree with you there. I think a 1st 2nd and a prospect probably a little better than behrens just for Nelson and another pick to take on RyJo. I think islanders would want a forward rather than D as well

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Quoting: Altar7358

A first, second, and a prospect isn't a bad deal for a 2C

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Quoting: seanrushton

A first, second, and a prospect isn't a bad deal for a 2C

Nelson is better than Elias Lindholm and has another year of term

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Quoting: Nightowl26

Think you’re underselling Meyers a bit here. He’s been much better in the NHL than his production would suggest, suffering mostly from low shooting percentages and real unlucky bounces. Has had chances. I think he specifically makes a ton of sense for the Isles if they sell. Could easily be a young replacement for Martin or Clutterbuck.

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Quoting: joshelkin

Nelson is better than Elias Lindholm and has another year of term

I think that the Horvat package is a lot easier of a comparison than Lindholm considering the Isles were involved in the Horvat trade and there isn't a cap dump included... A first, a second, a prospect, and maybe a midround pick isn't a bad deal for either side

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Quoting: seanrushton

I think that the Horvat package is a lot easier of a comparison than Lindholm... A first, a second, a prospect, and maybe a midround pick isn't a bad deal for either side

I disagree. Every year the FA market is set by a trade. Last year, it was the Horvat trade. This year, the market for a 2C is Lindholm's trade. Also remember Lindholm is a UFA at the end of the year. Nelson has 1 more remaining year at a reasonable 6M for a 2C who scores 30 goals.

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Quoting: seanrushton

I think that the Horvat package is a lot easier of a comparison than Lindholm... A first, a second, a prospect, and maybe a midround pick isn't a bad deal for either side

Beauvillier ended up being a flop but at least he was a younger forward with a track record of 18-20 goal seasons under his belt. I wouldn’t classify him as a cap dump. I also think Raty is a better prospect than anyone coming back to NYI in this hypothetical deal

For example, if Boston wanted Nelson (no brainer for them IMO) that package starts with a 1st and Lysell. Maybe the Isles take back an expiring contract like Forbort to make the cap work, but I’d prefer that trade over this one

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Quoting: Nightowl26

I mean the inclusion of a cap dump makes the value a little murkier... The Sean Monahan trade could also be used as a baseline

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Quoting: joshelkin

Nelson is better than Elias Lindholm and has another year of term

Ehhh… not sure about that. Remember the Canucks also had to pay extra to get him from Calgary.

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Quoting: joshelkin

I agree that a prospect better than Raty would be coming back but I think the combination of a better prospect plus the extra 2nd and an extra mid-round pick more than makes up for the difference between the two

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Quoting: dmh1

Ehhh… not sure about that. Remember the Canucks also had to pay extra to get him from Calgary.

What VAN paid still sets the market, and again Nelson has another full season of term at a very reasonable cap hit. He 100% returns a better package than Lindholm IMO

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Quoting: seanrushton

Not when you’re taking back Ryan Johansen’s contract for 2 years

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Quoting: joshelkin

Not when you’re taking back Ryan Johansen’s contract for 2 years

No... just as a base trade... Nelson for a 1st, 2nd, decent prospect, and maybe an extra mid-round pick seems more than fair... paying you to take on Johansen’s contract would probably require a second or more

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Quoting: dmh1

Ehhh… not sure about that. Remember the Canucks also had to pay extra to get him from Calgary.

Show me where the Canucks had to pay more? You don't think at the deadline, there are a bunch of teams looking for a solid 2 way 2 line center who scores 30 goals. If that's the case, Isles will have plenty of suitors calling.

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Quoting: Nightowl26

I think he's talking about the division tax when he means that he has to pay more

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Quoting: seanrushton

I mean the inclusion of a cap dump makes the value a little murkier... The Sean Monahan trade could also be used as a baseline

what cap dump?

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Quoting: Nightowl26

what cap dump?

Kuzmenko was a cap dump if I remember correctly

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Quoting: seanrushton

That I agree with. Thought we were taking Johansen too. But I’d just prefer a 1st and higher end prospect

Still don’t think Nelson is traded at all though

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