definite no from tampa

Why? You just loss a D. What is your counter offer?

I wouldn't trade Kaliyev for Vanacek straight up, let alone throw in a 1st and Helenius.

not intersted in Tanev and idk if tampa has enough for hanifin

You want a recent first developing nicely
A 2nd
A 4-6 defenseman
A 4th liner
For Tanev REALLY? Forget the retention TB doesn't need it they have 8+ million cap space. You really think this is the return you're getting?
You're higher than a satellite.

Vanecek is garbage, he got traded for a 2nd before he played for NJ and it’s only been downhill since then. Not sure how you came up with that return.

As it stands Vanecek is sitting comfortably at rank 40 out of 51 amongst goaltenders this season. If you think the 40th ranked goaltender in the league warrants a 1st and two prospects then the Kings will give you Talbot who is comfortably sitting ranked 14th amongst goaltenders for Hubby at 50% retained.

You get Vanecek as a throw in and then expect a kings ransomed in return are you insane?