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Happy Anniversary to the Tarasenko trade between the Rangers and the Blues

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Équipe: 2023-24 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 9 févr. 2024
Publié: 9 févr. 2024
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https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/insider-trading-edmonton-oilers-priority-is-top-six-forward-at-trade-deadline-1.2073483


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/32-thoughts-where-will-the-coyotes-call-home-after-mullett-arena/



https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/players/vladimir-tarasenko
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    From Pierre Lebrun:
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      The Oilers are busy having a lot of internal discussions four weeks ahead of the trade deadline. Their top priority, from our understanding, is to add a top-six forward. The idea is to upgrade on the second line with Leon Draisaitl.


      [Ottawa Senators forward] Vladimir Tarasenko changed agents for the fourth time in three years last week. He has a full no-trade clause, but I believe he would waive it for a contender like Edmonton. Tarasenko is on the Oilers’ radar.


      Lots of moving targets there, but Edmonton is hoping to add up front.
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        From Darren Dreger:
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          I would agree with that. I think the Oilers are definitely leaning towards adding a forward
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            From Elliotte Friedman:
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              One trend gaining traction is teams destined to pick later in the first round aren’t married to their picks. Vancouver and Winnipeg already moved them.
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                Happy Anniversary to the Vladimir Tarasenko trade between the Rangers and the Blues.


                1 Year to this day.


                Back then, Tarasenko had a Full NTC.


                Back then, a team spent a 1st round pick to get him.
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                  https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/players/vladimir-tarasenko
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                    9 févr. à 9 h 40
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                    I could see this as a plan B or C for Edmonton. Reasonable only thing I’d make note of is if you flip foegele he can land a better pick than you have here been a very good year for him. Shown well for an extended stretch playing above his weight class in skill.
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                    Quoting: Timmah007
                    I could see this as a plan B or C for Edmonton. Reasonable only thing I’d make note of is if you flip foegele he can land a better pick than you have here been a very good year for him. Shown well for an extended stretch playing above his weight class in skill.


                    What's plan A for Edmonton ?
                    9 févr. à 9 h 47
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                    This ain't, chief. All the experts you quote have the Oiler ADDING a forward, you have them swapping forwards. If you want Foegele, no 1st. He's producing more at 5v5 than Tarasenko is, so what value is there for Edmonton to give up a high pick?

                    Tarasenko v Foegele, 5v5 counts
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                    Quoting: CD282
                    This ain't, chief. All the experts you quote have the Oiler ADDING a forward, you have them swapping forwards. If you want Foegele, no 1st. He's producing more at 5v5 than Tarasenko is, so what value is there for Edmonton to give up a high pick?

                    Tarasenko v Foegele, 5v5 counts


                    1. Without giving up Foegele, Edmonton doesn't have the cap space for Tarasenko.



                    2. Foegele spent most of the season playing with NHL All-Star Leon Draisaitl on a Cup Contender.

                    Tarasenko spent most of the season playing with AHL Scrub Rourke Chartier on a Bottom 5 team.



                    3. Recently, Foegele was demoted to the 3rd line and replaced by Corey Perry on the 2nd line.
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                    What's plan A for Edmonton ?


                    I’d say plan A is seeing if eberle can shake loose. Something to be said about acquiring a former player. The core knows him very very well adjusting to new locker room should be seamless transition.
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                    This ain't, chief. All the experts you quote have the Oiler ADDING a forward, you have them swapping forwards. If you want Foegele, no 1st. He's producing more at 5v5 than Tarasenko is, so what value is there for Edmonton to give up a high pick?

                    Tarasenko v Foegele, 5v5 counts


                    Like I said above wouldn’t be first choice but I don’t mind the idea of falling back on this. With Holloway emerging and a rw added not taking away from foegele but won’t where does he land after deadline on this roster? 4th line? Maybe could try cutting the cost of trade down a little due to his good year thus far but wouldn’t let that prevent a move. I loved Barrie man seeing him go hurt foegele right now is same kinda situation.
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                    Pass on Foegs. He doesn’t fit anywhere in the lineup
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                    Quoting: sensonfire
                    1. Without giving up Foegele, Edmonton doesn't have the cap space for Tarasenko.



                    2. Foegele spent most of the season playing with NHL All-Star Leon Draisaitl on a Cup Contender.

                    Tarasenko spent most of the season playing with AHL Scrub Rourke Chartier on a Bottom 5 team.



                    3. Recently, Foegele was demoted to the 3rd line and replaced by Corey Perry on the 2nd line.

                    1. True. They would have to pay a 3rd team to retain an additional $1.25M. It wouldn't cost a lot, probably a 4th or 5th round pick.

                    2. False. Tarasenko's most common center is Stutzle, at 258 minutes (all strengths). Foegele's most common center is Ryan McLeod, at 295 minutes. Are you saying McLeod >> Stutzle?

                    Your suggestion that Draisaitl is responsible for Foegele's scoring is proved false by the fact that Foegele has posted an 85.71 IPP this year (5v5), much better than Tarasenko's 66.67.

                    Besides, when Draisaitl and Foegele played together they scored the same amount of points.

                    Tarasenko has only played 47 minutes with Chartier. Another lie.

                    3. Partially true. Those lines were used yesterday in practice, they have yet to be used in a game. But as I pointed out above, Foegele has played with McLeod more than with Draisaitl all season, he produces well either way. Very flexible player.

                    And not available.
                    9 févr. à 12 h 55
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                    Quoting: Timmah007
                    Like I said above wouldn’t be first choice but I don’t mind the idea of falling back on this. With Holloway emerging and a rw added not taking away from foegele but won’t where does he land after deadline on this roster? 4th line? Maybe could try cutting the cost of trade down a little due to his good year thus far but wouldn’t let that prevent a move. I loved Barrie man seeing him go hurt foegele right now is same kinda situation.

                    Holloway doesn't play RW. He's C/L. And Foegele is the better player right now anyhow. Here are Edmonton's top scorers at 5v5:

                    1. McDavid: 34 (2.84 P/60)
                    2. Hyman: 30 (2.57)
                    3. Draisaitl: 29 (2.45)
                    4. Foegele: 24 (2.58)
                    5. Nugent-Hopkins: 20 (1.88)
                    6. Kane: 19 (1.74)
                    7. McLeod: 16 (1.80)
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                    12. Holloway: 3 (0.87)

                    Love Holloway but he isn't replacing Foegele anytime soon. FYI Tarasenko would rank 5th on the Oilers roster with 22 points (2.30 P/60). He'd be a great addition, but not if you're subtracting Foegele.

                    IMO if they added Tarasenko, I would shift Foegele to the third line with Holloway and McLeod, and Perry to the fourth. We know that Foegele can be effective on that line and Perry can Perry with anyone.
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                    Quoting: Timmah007
                    Like I said above wouldn’t be first choice but I don’t mind the idea of falling back on this. With Holloway emerging and a rw added not taking away from foegele but won’t where does he land after deadline on this roster? 4th line? Maybe could try cutting the cost of trade down a little due to his good year thus far but wouldn’t let that prevent a move. I loved Barrie man seeing him go hurt foegele right now is same kinda situation.


                    Quoting: CD282
                    Holloway doesn't play RW. He's C/L. And Foegele is the better player right now anyhow. Here are Edmonton's top scorers at 5v5:

                    1. McDavid: 34 (2.84 P/60)
                    2. Hyman: 30 (2.57)
                    3. Draisaitl: 29 (2.45)
                    4. Foegele: 24 (2.58)
                    5. Nugent-Hopkins: 20 (1.88)
                    6. Kane: 19 (1.74)
                    7. McLeod: 16 (1.80)
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                    12. Holloway: 3 (0.87)

                    Love Holloway but he isn't replacing Foegele anytime soon. FYI Tarasenko would rank 5th on the Oilers roster with 22 points (2.30 P/60). He'd be a great addition, but not if you're subtracting Foegele.

                    IMO if they added Tarasenko, I would shift Foegele to the third line with Holloway and McLeod, and Perry to the fourth. We know that Foegele can be effective on that line and Perry can Perry with anyone.

                    That P/60 number is not a typo - Foegele really is the second best 5v5 producer on the Oilers roster. Treating him like a cap dump is just insane.
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                    That P/60 number is not a typo - Foegele really is the second best 5v5 producer on the Oilers roster. Treating him like a cap dump is just insane.


                    I'm treating Foegele more like a cap casualty.

                    A decent player that needs to be sacrificed to achieve a bigger objective.

                    More often than not, cap dumps aren't decent players
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                    Holloway doesn't play RW. He's C/L. And Foegele is the better player right now anyhow. Here are Edmonton's top scorers at 5v5:

                    1. McDavid: 34 (2.84 P/60)
                    2. Hyman: 30 (2.57)
                    3. Draisaitl: 29 (2.45)
                    4. Foegele: 24 (2.58)
                    5. Nugent-Hopkins: 20 (1.88)
                    6. Kane: 19 (1.74)
                    7. McLeod: 16 (1.80)
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                    12. Holloway: 3 (0.87)

                    Love Holloway but he isn't replacing Foegele anytime soon. FYI Tarasenko would rank 5th on the Oilers roster with 22 points (2.30 P/60). He'd be a great addition, but not if you're subtracting Foegele.

                    IMO if they added Tarasenko, I would shift Foegele to the third line with Holloway and McLeod, and Perry to the fourth. We know that Foegele can be effective on that line and Perry can Perry with anyone.


                    FYI, Tarasenko would produce a lot more if he was playing for Edmonton.

                    And Foegele would produce a lot less if he was playing for Ottawa.

                    As the saying goes, "A rising tide lifts all boats".
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                    FYI, Tarasenko would produce a lot more if he was playing for Edmonton.

                    And Foegele would produce a lot less if he was playing for Ottawa.

                    As the saying goes, "A rising tide lifts all boats".

                    Ottawa has scored 109 goals at 5v5 this season.
                    Edmonton has scored 99 goals at 5v5 this season.

                    More lies from you.
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                    Quoting: CD282
                    That P/60 number is not a typo - Foegele really is the second best 5v5 producer on the Oilers roster. Treating him like a cap dump is just insane.


                    I’m not suggesting foegele is a cap dump but I wouldn’t view him as much more than even value. Decent middle six player. What we seen of him this year I believe to be his high point as far as effectiveness goes. Second line is a bit above his weight class and with Holloway and Perry both wings are covered on the third line. I’m just at a point respect everything foegele has given us this year most notably but moving on from him isn’t going to break anything. I think it’s a safe bet to suggest Tarasenko can out preform foegele given the same opportunity. I do have a ton of respect and appreciation towards foegele don’t want that being mistaken.
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                    Ottawa has scored 109 goals at 5v5 this season.
                    Edmonton has scored 99 goals at 5v5 this season.

                    More lies from you.


                    And you conveniently ignore each team's powerplay.
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                    Ottawa has scored 109 goals at 5v5 this season.
                    Edmonton has scored 99 goals at 5v5 this season.

                    More lies from you.


                    1. You seem to be of the opinion that 5 v 5 point production is the only thing that matters.

                    And that 5 v 5 point production from the regular season is going to carry over into the playoffs.




                    2. We both know that the Oilers want Tarasenko.

                    We also both know that the Oilers have no cap space.

                    Tarasenko's cap hit when retention is set at 50% is 2.5 million.

                    So, the Oilers need to sacrifice somebody to offset that.



                    Who should it be ?



                    Campbell and Ceci are non-starters for Ottawa.

                    Ottawa doesn't want or need Ekholm or Kulak because they are LDs.

                    McDavid, Draisaitl, Hyman, Kane, RNH, Nurse and Bouchard are all untouchable.

                    And Edmonton can't afford to move Skinner.



                    So that leaves us with Foegele.
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                    I’m not suggesting foegele is a cap dump but I wouldn’t view him as much more than even value. Decent middle six player. What we seen of him this year I believe to be his high point as far as effectiveness goes. Second line is a bit above his weight class and with Holloway and Perry both wings are covered on the third line. I’m just at a point respect everything foegele has given us this year most notably but moving on from him isn’t going to break anything. I think it’s a safe bet to suggest Tarasenko can out preform foegele given the same opportunity. I do have a ton of respect and appreciation towards foegele don’t want that being mistaken.

                    Clearly you don't, otherwise you wouldn't be suggesting he get move in a cap dump type situation.
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                    And you conveniently ignore each team's powerplay.

                    Foegele doesn't get much PP time, and neither would Tarasenko in Edmonton. So why consider PP points as equal to 5v5 points? That's dumb.
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                    Foegele doesn't get much PP time, and neither would Tarasenko in Edmonton. So why consider PP points as equal to 5v5 points? That's dumb.


                    Why consider PP points as equal to 5 v 5 points ?

                    To win a hockey game, you need to score goals or help your teammates score goals.

                    It doesn't matter whether it's 5 v 5 or on the PP as long as the goal is scored.

                    That's why.
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                    Clearly you don't, otherwise you wouldn't be suggesting he get move in a cap dump type situation.


                    It’s not that different than moving Barrie a year ago. Rather call it a cap casualty instead of cap dump because there is no sort of payment to include him. Is what it is someone may have to go to bring someone else in.
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                    It’s not that different than moving Barrie a year ago. Rather call it a cap casualty instead of cap dump because there is no sort of payment to include him. Is what it is someone may have to go to bring someone else in.

                    Word salad. You are suggesting he has no value, which is false.
                     
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