Should've signed Michael Scarn

Definitely need more in that CGY trade... no way that goes through. They don't really want a goalie with term back, unless they trade Vladar elsewhere.

Hanifan with an extension is probably worth Holtz and a 1st. So I don't think a 2nd and Vanecek gets you markstrom with salary retained.

1st and a 2nd for Hanifin with extension. Theres no scenario where Markstrom is worth holtz.

The devils GM was asked for holtz in the meier deal. The response was if its holtz, it’s only holtz.

And now he’s top 20 in the league in 5v5 goals/60 and top 40 in 5v5 points/60

Do not move holtz.

You need to add in the cgy trade Goldenface.

And there is no reason for the Flames to move him or ask Markstrom to waive unless the trade is worth it.

Good, let’s not get the 34 year old goalie with 3 years of term. They can keep him.

Markstrom is 34 now, his contract runs till he’s 36.

Here’s a complete list of guys who’ve played at a quality starter level in the last decade from ages 34-36

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An NMC also LOWERS trade value, it doesn’t raise it, and don’t let that get twisted otherwise.

I'm gonna dig up Scarn's dead wife, and I'm gonna hump her real good!

Hanifan is a top pairing defenseman on most teams in the league. I think Hampus Lindholm is a fair comparison, he went for a 1st and 2 2nds with no extension in place, so I stand by Holtz and a 1st get you Hanifan with an extension.

Hampus Lindholm

-signed his extension 1 day after the trade. There was an extension in place
-Came with a multi year cap dump of 5.5 million dollars in Trevor Moore who was an AHLer (that costs a 2nd)

So you’re right. Lindholm comp. 1st+2nd with extension.

Also “extension in place” isn’t a real meaningful thing on a UFA. Hanifin agreeing to sign with us, at UFA rates on years where you have no control over him does not increase his value in any real way.

It’s a thing cap friendly users do to try and pretend their rentals aren’t rentals

Additionally, when the Sharks asked for Holtz in the meier deal, they were told it would be 1 for 1 if they wanted him.