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Créé par: Mr_Gardoki

Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh

Date de création initiale: 1 févr. 2024

Publié: 1 févr. 2024

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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The proposed deal below is not a finished deal. These are just the key players in the deal, so first:

1) Does this even make sense for the Senators to begin with? Graves has just been a poor fit with this team, but has a proven track record otherwise, so I get there's probably hesitancy for Sens fans.

2) If this makes sense for the Sens, without doing the Capfriendly-Overvalue-Shuffle, is 1-for-1 enough?

3) If not 1-for-1, what would need to be added? Off limits futures from the Pens: 1st, Pickering and Yager.

Transactions

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Jeff Petry: 1 562 500 $ (25%)

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
20	83 500 000 $	80 254 342 $	0 $	0 $	3 245 658 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Guentzel, Jake 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1	Crosby, Sidney 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $ C NMC UFA - 2	Rust, Bryan 5 125 000 $5 125 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 5
Smith, Reilly 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 2	Malkin, Evgeni 6 100 000 $6 100 000 $ C NMC UFA - 3	Rakell, Rickard 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 5
O'Connor, Drew 925 000 $925 000 $ AG UFA - 2	Eller, Lars 2 450 000 $2 450 000 $ C UFA - 2	Carter, Jeff 3 125 000 $3 125 000 $ AD, C NMC UFA - 1
Harkins, Jansen 850 000 $850 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Acciari, Noel 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ C, AD M-NTC UFA - 3	White, Colin 775 000 $775 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Chychrun, Jakob 4 600 000 $4 600 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Letang, Kris 6 100 000 $6 100 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 5	Jarry, Tristan 5 375 000 $5 375 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 5
Pettersson, Marcus 4 025 175 $4 025 175 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Karlsson, Erik 10 000 000 $10 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 4	Nedeljkovic, Alex 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ G UFA - 1
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier 825 000 $825 000 $ DG RFA - 1	Ruhwedel, Chad 800 000 $800 000 $ DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
		Nieto, Matt 900 000 $900 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
		Ludvig, John 775 000 $775 000 $ DG RFA - 2

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hero9154

Rejoint: juin 2018

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Ottawa would want RHD. They have Chabot and Sanderson signed long term in the top 4 on the left hand side.

Pittsburgh would have to add significantly.

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Claesson4Norris

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There's no amount of tweaking that would make a deal around these two work at all for Ottawa. Graves is a massive downgrade, on a straight up bad contract. It doesn't make Ottawa better, it doesn't address the imbalance of LD/RD on the blueline (the only reason you even consider moving Chychrun), they get older and they lose so much cap value. Complete nonstarter for Ottawa on a fundamental level.

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Claesson4Norris

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Quoting: hero9154

Ottawa would want RHD. They have Chabot and Sanderson signed long term in the top 4 on the left hand side.

Pittsburgh would have to add significantly.

I don't think Pittsburgh could add enough to make it make sense

Borocop a aimé ceci.

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Mr_Gardoki

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Banni

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

My line of thought is that Graves is the style of dman they're missing and with the reports that OTT may be moving Chychrun, it might be a match, but I can understand why it may not make sense.

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Mr_Gardoki

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Quoting: hero9154

Ottawa would want RHD. They have Chabot and Sanderson signed long term in the top 4 on the left hand side.

Pittsburgh would have to add significantly.

Fair enough.

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hero9154

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

I don't think Pittsburgh could add enough to make it make sense

Yeah I agree. Graves contract is not going to age well.

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Dink32788

Rejoint: avr. 2023

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If the deal is involving Graves it’s going to also involve TWO of the untouchables you listed…

1 févr. à 13 h 33

Borocop

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I mean yeah its been said already but its not even close as a 1 for 1, and to offset one of the untouchables would probably need to be touched

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Imagine874859

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I dont see what's in it for Ottawa. EK65 might make more sense but even then I'm not sure they'd do it

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Claesson4Norris

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

My line of thought is that Graves is the style of dman they're missing and with the reports that OTT may be moving Chychrun, it might be a match, but I can understand why it may not make sense.

Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

My line of thought is that Graves is the style of dman they're missing and with the reports that OTT may be moving Chychrun, it might be a match, but I can understand why it may not make sense.

Sure he's the style of dman they need, but his defensive results aren't actually all that hot, and he shoots left anyway, which doesn't address the other concern on the blueline. Age, cap hit, term, play, none of it adds up for Ottawa, and you're not even willing to move any of the futures Ottawa would obviously need to make this remotely worth it. You don't get a 25 year old top pair Dman on a cheap deal if you're only willing to move pieces you aren't worried about losing/ actively want to be rid of.

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Mr_Gardoki

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

It's not a fit. I get that. Just seemed like there could be mutual benefits to this trade.

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Claesson4Norris

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

It's not a fit. I get that. Just seemed like there could be mutual benefits to this trade.

I don't agree

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Mr_Gardoki

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

I don't agree

I literally agreed I can see it's not a fit. I was explaining my original thought process. Do you just like arguing for the sake of arguing?

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Claesson4Norris

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

I literally agreed I can see it's not a fit. I was explaining my original thought process. Do you just like arguing for the sake of arguing?

I wasn't arguing, just stating we see things differently.

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Mr_Gardoki

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

I wasn't arguing, just stating we see things differently.

Dude, I said I agree with you and then you said I disagree lol

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Claesson4Norris

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

Dude, I said I agree with you and then you said I disagree lol

I was disagreeing about it being mutually beneficial. Sorry for miscommunication

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CCC87

Rejoint: janv. 2024

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wow this trade is brutal Sens would want a much better package and graves would not be included

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