Kuzmenko > Monahan
2nd >>>> Stephens

Canucks pass easily

In terms of value? Monahan is going to be a hot commodity at the trade deadline. Kuzmonko is a negative asset. 6 mill for 3rd line production and a liability defensively.

Monahan >>> Kuzmenko
Stephens <<< 2nd. (Late 2nd isn’t that valuable)

It’s unfortunate how the Canucks are deploying him because he would be worth quite a bit more if he were producing. But they’re deploying him that way because Tochett doesn’t like his game (not to many coaches will like him)

Unfortunately he has a M-NMC so that limits who he can be traded to. He’s a liability defensively so that limits who would be interested in acquiring him, and in the lone season that he did produce, he was shooting at 27% which is obviously not even close to being sustainable. He’s a negative asset. Vancouver would have to pay someone to take him, or if a team is willing to pay, it’ll be at a low cost. It’s why he’s not already traded.

He rolls through everything Montreal to troll about Monahan with the inflated confidence that Vancouver is on a heater.

Gotta love those JFresh player cards.

Monahan hasn’t been good this season apart from on the PP. He’s been bad at 5v5 (12 points, 9 primary points, 44.09 CF%, 42.3 xGF%) and he’s been awful defensively this season (Evolving Hockey, JFresh, ARStats all show he’s been bad defensively, no source I’ve seen shows that he’s been good defensively)

He’s not an upgrade over Suter or Blueger at C for the Canucks, and he’s not an upgrade over any of our wingers playing in the top 9. Just because he plays for your beloved Habs doesn’t mean you have to overvalue him

The same Teddy Blueger who before this season averaged 12 minutes a game and 20 points a season? Did it ever occur to you that a player’s stats are heavily impacted by the situation they’re in? (Use Blueger as evidence lol)

Monahan is playing on a terrible team, with below average to terrible linemates. But luckily we have 600 plus games to go by, not just the last 40. I’m glad GM’s don’t think like you, that’s exactly why we’re going to get a very nice return for him at the trade deadline. Hey maybe it’ll be Vancouver who makes the trade, you can cry then.

You’re talking about the same Sean Monahan who in the last 4 seasons averages 9 goals and 23 points? That’s his last 183 games by the way. The same Sean Monahan who hasn’t been good since the 2018/19 season?

Do you still think Jeff Carter is great despite being terrible the last two seasons because there’s over 1000 games to go by before that? No, because players get worse as they age and as they deal with multiple injuries. Carter is an example of that, and so is Monahan

My guy Jeff Carter is like 50 years old. Sean Monahan is 28. What you’re referring to were seasons in which he was battling injuries.

And guess what? The aftermath of dealing with those injuries have made Monahan not very good anymore, and you can’t rely on him to stay healthy. The only value he brings is on the PP, which he wouldn’t play in for the Canucks. He’s bad at 5v5, and he’s bad defensively

No he plays with linemates at 5v5 who suck and he plays with linemates on the power play who don’t suck. That simple.

But you believe what you want and you be wrong again. Remember Chiarot? Is it wise to have this debate every single year knowing you’re going to be wrong like the last time?

Remember how Petry was going to return a 1st+? And how Edmundson was going to return a 1st+? And how Monahan was going to last year? And how Petry was going to again when they reacquired him in the offseason? Is it wise to have this debate again?

Petry basically did net a 1st, we got Matheson while also sending out Hoffman. That is essentially the equivalent of a 1st if not more. Never said that he would net a 1st the 2nd time around and nobody did. Nobody told you Edmundson was going to bet a 1st, maybe a 2nd at the deadline but he wasn’t traded at the deadline. Very likely would’ve got a 2nd had he been traded at the deadline though, but he was injured. We ended up getting a 3rd in the offseason with him coming off of a serious back injury.

Either way none of these things were said by me outside of the Petry trade. You said Chiarot wouldn’t net a 1st and you were wrong. You gotta come better than this.

Dont you think montreal have an good return for Petry ? i do find it very good myself and didnt cost alot in fact.

the first trade was about: 2015 second round pick (#57) Jonas Siegenthaler + 2015 Fourth round pick (#117) Caleb Jones to get Petry who give good year for Montreal

the Second trade was about: Michael Matheson ( top 4 nhl ready young vets ) at good salary price and an 2023 Fourth round pick (#110) Bogdan Konyushkov to remove Petry 6m for one year and trade away poehling who didnt fit and have ask for an trade.

the third trade they get Petry back with 25% ( 1.562m ) less on is contract for 2 years + Nathan Légaré good AHL player to help Rocket and french an 2025 second round pick and Casey DeSmith which have been trade to Canuck for Pearson and 2025 third round pick. In the same deal Montreal was able to remove Mike Hoffman which havent been good for the team and Rem Pitlick who still try to find himself a spot somewhere.

the last trade Montreal keep 50% ( 2,343m ) from Petry in exchange for Gustav Lindstrom who have been a okay assurance police and an 2025 fourth round pick from Détroit OR Boston which one is the later of the two. And what was most important in this trade for Kent Hughes was is reputation as GM who care about is player which would improve the chance of an free agent wanting to come to montreal knowing that the gm will take care of him.

Valuable wise Montreal have really made good with the return of Petry, there no actual first round pick as you say but the value back is much more. Montreal get in pick 1 fourth round pick, 1 third round pick, 1 second round pick, 1Rusian D-man Prospect, 1 AHL player and 2 NHL player veteran who help the team and could be sold back to acquire asset again. Yes Montreal have keep over 2.4m in case but when in rebuilding mode who care ? is not like habs are in dear need of money right now or next year. The cap should growth and i wont be surprised if in this deadline Montreal play office to an Bad contract deal or Retain party deal for two other team.


the same could be say about Edmunson at the base he cost only an 2020 fifth round pick and in the end give back and 2024 third and 2024 seven round pick. That without what the guys have bring to the team and give as experience to the young. would in the end i like that he play better and get an better return yeah but i think is injury have mark him so much that he wasnt able to be able to be as performant was he was supposed to be.