@Pens3lieve @pens1991 any chance Pitt would be interested in this if they go full sell?

lol your schtick is so boring. When are you gonna come up with a new one?

If you want better returns for your pieces stop giving them such bloated contracts

But hey, if you want to keep gibson go ahead. It would be a moronic decision but go ahead.

This year and next year, you aren't competing so no matter how good or bad gibson is it adds nothing (if anything him being good worsens your pick)

Then the last 2 years of his deal, he will be 33-34.

Over those 2 years he will make 12.8 mill
Saros, Helle, Shesterkin, Sorokin, Vasy will make more
Maybe Bob will, maybe Oetter, maybe, swayman, maybe demko

At his cheapest he's the 10th highest paid goalie in that time frame.

Here's a complete list of goalies who've played at a top 10 level from age 33-34 in the last decade: Henrik Lundqvist.
Here's a list of goalies who've been even average starters: Lundqvist, Rinne, Smith

NSH doesn’t consider that

Is it the concept of nashville buying a rental or selling Trenin that they don't consider?

1st+3rd to pay for Toffoli
Stillman for Trenin is how I had it

Pens need young RWs, LWs, and RDs, not LDs. At least Clarke should be a part of this trade. Plus, I am not a big fan of trading Jarry. He will be still good after the rebuild.

I'd give Clarke+3rd instead of Bahl if you like

Vitek+Clarke+1st+3rd for Jarry at 4
1st+3rd for Pettersson

I would take it as Pens ACGM

Hmmm honestly not sure... mainly cause I'm not sure if they'd move Jarry or want to retain for 5 years on Jarry. I don't dislike Bahl, but also don't disagree with what @vbolshakov noted above in the need for forwards (and RD if anything).

Something I'd considered IF they went full sell, was sending Jarry to EDM for Campbell (obviously EDM sends a 1st +) but their cap is close (think jarry is making like $300k more per season)

Like I said your schtick is boring. Come up with something that hasn’t been done before.

You think you'd rather eat the campbell contract than retain on Jarry? 7 mill in retention vs 15 mill in buried cap (that's just the 3.8 that still hits the cap)

1st,1st,Prospect,2nd+campbell for Jarry then? hmm, maybe edmonton would go for that. I'd say that's pretty fair

Hmm have you ever considered the possibility that if "gibson isn't that good and here's a bunch of statistics pointing out how he isn't that good" is such a common thing that you see, perhaps gibson might just not be that good?

I mean again if it's a full sell/rebuild then eating campbells contract for the next few years is literally nothing for the penguins lol. They're going to take a while to get back to being a good team at which point he'd be off the books and who knows, maybe he gets some form back and they can flip in the future.

Pens wont retain on Jarry due to the duration. If they went full sell they would also want to save a retention slot for someone else

Fair. Would you be more open to retaining a larger sum for more assets?

Like 50% jarry+pettersson for 2 1sts+Casey+Vanacek+3rd+Clarke? Or something like that? (I value casey at a 1st+ a bit). Not realistic in terms of the actual NHL but something to think about

I dont think so. If they retain 50 percent for 5 years turns a rebuild into a guaranteed long one.

whether its right or wrong Id think they go the route of a retool.

I don’t see Trotz trading a 1st— let alone for a rental.

Trenin could be put on the market high. Not sure the direction they plan on going with him.

Nashville looks good. And it seems sustainable.

Very high xGoals rates.

Currently in a playoff spot despite 0 loser points (so they're actually winning games).

Only team with a real shot to break into the playoffs is Edmonton but imo Nashville is much better than AZ.

And all that despite saros not even playing well (by his standards, he hasn't been bad compared to the average goalie).

Imo toffoli would slot in as your best RW and add a scoring punch that makes you a solid threat.

I agree with everything above... Ned would be available for cheap but don't see PIT looking to move Jarry even if we sell as I bet we try to make a run again next season... doubt PIT would retain on any long term contracts but if just for a year like Ned or Jake then yes for sure...