Not enough value going to the Ducks

Show me a goalie who has gotten significantly more than that, especially one whose contract is considered underwater by most metrics? The goalie deals recently (Georgiev for two 3rds and a 5th), Vanecek for a 3rd.

This is pretty comparable to Darcy Kuemper with retention for a late 1st and a 3rd that the Avs and Coyotes did a few years back, and Keumper was much cheaper then than Gibson is now.

Maybe you could quibble and say the Devils should add another non-draft pick asset like any non-Seamus Casey prospect, and I think that most Devils fans would be fine with that.

They are not comparable to a multi-time all star goalie that is still in his prime. You listed two caps goalies there that not Gibson's level. Vitek is far from Gibson and Kuemper although good is also not close.

All-star goaltender retained plus a good forward. You are way off the mark

I truly don't know a single person on Earth who believes John Gibson is still in his prime. Darcy Keumper was a better goalie (and still is a better goalie) than john Gibson is now when that trade happened.

Is John Gibson still a good goalie? Yes. Is he four years past his prime? Also yes.

This isn’t a legit asset for the amount of retention

We aren’t shopping Gibby so you will have to give an offer that makes us not want to say no

The retention is what makes Gibson not a cap dump.

Why do ducks fans keep ignoring the fact that gibson has the 3rd biggest goalie contract in the league rn.

Gibson at 4.5 million for a 2nd 👍
3rd+Vanacek for a 6 million dollar Henrique

How much will Henrique get as a free agent?

How much would Gibson have gotten if he was a free agent this past offseason?

How much would get if he were to be becoming a free agent now?

If John gibsons deal were voided today, what contract would the Anaheim ducks offer him to stay

Yeah, any less retention than 1.4 million to put him at around 5 million makes him an underwater asset. He wouldn't get anywhere in the ballpark of 4 yr/5 AAV on the open market after 3 years of sub .900 SV% and a grand total of 1.2 GSaX in the first 20 starts this year (22nd among all goalies). The value is that he is a perfectly fine, above average starting goalie. You're not trading a front-line, Vezina candidate starter.

The Ducks would also have to retain 2.9 million to send Henrique to literally any other team. Not having to retain that salary to send him to the Devils gets them halfway to the amount of retained money on Gibson right there.

Like I said I think a 1st or two 2nds is probably a best case scenario for Gibson. Maybe a B-minus prospect like Graeme Clarke or Nolan Foote they can dream on is also in there. I don't know.

Either way, it's unlikely they're going to be able to trade Gibson without retaining some of that money.

My logic is and always will be this. If I can go out into unrestricted free agency and get the same or better production for the same amount of money, you have 0 or negative value

Where's the first then, you e offered a 2nd, a 3rd, the goalie you don't want, and some depth forward.

Frankly, Anaheim either won't retain, or will retain minimal money on Gibson, claiming we don't have to retain on Henrique is missing the point that Anaheim would be on the hook for thee additional years of salary for Gibson, it's just not happening, and sure as **** not for this offer.

Either Gibson is still an elite goalie, and that's why you are trading for him, or he's not, and You're on here just trolling Anaheim fans.

Gibson is not an elite goalie hope this helps.

Let’s use Jarry as our UFA comp (even though he’s younger and better than Gibson).


He has an AAV of 5.4 million.

Gibson here is being traded at an AAV of 4.5 with retention. So here he provides about 4 mill in surplus value. 2nd+3rd.

Let’s set our Vanacek value at about 2.4 million (that’s what Mackenzie Blackwood got, for a goalie who previously was shown to be a starter, still relatively young, after a down year)

That’s -2 million in value

On Henrique what’s a good UFA comp. hmm so many mediocre wingers to go with. Maybe an Engvall, a domi, an athanasiou even.

Let’s go with 4 mill tho. So -1.6 mill in value.

Seems like the value going both ways is reasonable

I wrote in the description what the two scenarios are. We don’t currently have our 1st guaranteed this year, if we had our first it would be in the deal. But no there’s definitely a third scenario besides the two at the end of your post: John Gibson is a good goalie, past his prime in which he was elite, who is a significant upgrade over what the Devils currently have (hence the draft picks)