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Équipe: 2023-24 Bruins de Boston
Date de création initiale: 7 déc. 2023
Publié: 7 déc. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Boston gets stronger defensively if you believe Orlov’s issues are system base. Chatfield and Raanta for Grz is a gap filler cap wise. The retention is based more on next year and Orlov’s play / system fit.

Carolina fills their biggest void and opens up a cap slot for Pesce next year. Orlov has been a bad fit for their system. The retention limits them to a 22 man roster this year, but that seems doable for the benefits outlined.

Open to swap Grz with Forbort if they want another roster player, but the retention is a need. Otherwise, I’d rather have other options than Orlov. Open to adding either Mitchell or Zboril if depth on D is a concern as well.
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  2. Orlov, Dmitry (2 000 000 $ retained)
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  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (CAR)
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7 déc. 2023 à 13 h 11
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Orlov has been a good fit.

Just like Hamilton and Burns he struggled the first month of games

If you want to talk a goalie of yours for Raanta and other pieces (those pieces be dependent on which goalie) so you can afford Lindholm, sure
7 déc. 2023 à 13 h 13
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Honestly seems like a good trade for both sides... not sure if either team does it though
7 déc. 2023 à 13 h 23
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Orlov has been a good fit.

Just like Hamilton and Burns he struggled the first month of games

If you want to talk a goalie of yours for Raanta and other pieces (those pieces be dependent on which goalie) so you can afford Lindholm, sure


Trading a player to make room for another is kind of pointless unless it’s a three way deal where you fill a talent gap. My assumption when I look at the salary you’d want to trade back to make this happen that Orlov would be the guy, but I could be wrong.

The concept of a trade with Carolina is like a root canal

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Honestly seems like a good trade for both sides... not sure if either team does it though


I think this is a win win for both teams. It’s a tad painful, but very few deals aren’t painful.
7 déc. 2023 à 13 h 41
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I dont mind this. I would be reluctant just because of Chatfield. Id try to sneak TDA in there over Chatty if it were a perfect world.

But as you said above, very few deals arent painful!

Another reason I wouldnt want to do this, would be the fact that Grzelcyk would not be able replace Skjeis production if he does not resign with the Canes
7 déc. 2023 à 14 h 24
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I dont mind this. I would be reluctant just because of Chatfield. Id try to sneak TDA in there over Chatty if it were a perfect world.

But as you said above, very few deals arent painful!

Another reason I wouldnt want to do this, would be the fact that Grzelcyk would not be able replace Skjeis production if he does not resign with the Canes


No interest in TDA, but I’d probably be open to Boston keeping Grz and you keeping Chatfield in exchange for you retaining on Orlov to make him the same salary as Ullmark and retaining on Raanta to make him $1m, which is basically the same benefit you get from burying him.
7 déc. 2023 à 15 h 0
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No interest in TDA, but I’d probably be open to Boston keeping Grz and you keeping Chatfield in exchange for you retaining on Orlov to make him the same salary as Ullmark and retaining on Raanta to make him $1m, which is basically the same benefit you get from burying him.


This would be a tough trade to pull off. Canes defence becomes substantially worse after this trade. I think id be more open to Orlov 2m retained + Picks/Prospect for Ullmark.

Is Boston trying to move a goalie? im curious of how you thought of trading Ullmark away. I dont pay much attention to Boston trade rumours and what not
7 déc. 2023 à 15 h 7
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I don’t think Boston is looking to trade a goaltender at all. They will likely be in a position where they have to consider it next offseason.

I do think they’consider Orlov and a 2nd for Ullmark if you made the salaries the same, but I could be very wrong. The other variations are just swaps based on salary considerations or taking players who would be cut and including them.
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Take Chatfield out and the Canes probably consider. I'm a big fan of Orlov and I feel like he's finally starting to adjust to the canes system and play his game down this stretch. He's shown glimpses of what he can do and I can see why Bruins fans like him so much. But, he's playing the 3rd pair making almost 8 million dollars, and when you already have Skjei on the roster, that's just bad roster management.

I get what they're trying to do with Orlov kind of being the stop-gap between Skjei (who i think they would be quicker to move this season than Orlov) and Nikishin next year, but there's guys out there next year that can be that, and we need a goalie asap. I think this could work for both teams.
8 déc. 2023 à 12 h 3
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Take Chatfield out and the Canes probably consider. I'm a big fan of Orlov and I feel like he's finally starting to adjust to the canes system and play his game down this stretch. He's shown glimpses of what he can do and I can see why Bruins fans like him so much. But, he's playing the 3rd pair making almost 8 million dollars, and when you already have Skjei on the roster, that's just bad roster management.

I get what they're trying to do with Orlov kind of being the stop-gap between Skjei (who i think they would be quicker to move this season than Orlov) and Nikishin next year, but there's guys out there next year that can be that, and we need a goalie asap. I think this could work for both teams.


If I were Don Sweeney, I’d be kind of fearful of the consequences of trading a goaltender. Part of me believes the team is a middle of the road, fringe playoff team whose record is inflated because those two guys are so good.

There are people who believe the goalies are good because of the defense. I don’t see it that way. There are players who play 200 ft hockey on that team, but there are some weaknesses and more odd man rushes than I’d like

I can see the value of this swap if Carolina makes it close to net neutral, but I’d be surprised if Sweeney does it. Its a good discussion though

The irony is a there is a lot of concern is over a good 3rd line, journeymanish player in Chatfield. There are always players you love more than they should technically be worth. I assumed he was that player for the Hurricanes. In reality, players like him shouldn’t hold up a deal like this, but I can understand the hesitation there. Trent Frederic is developing into that player for me
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If I were Don Sweeney, I’d be kind of fearful of the consequences of trading a goaltender. Part of me believes the team is a middle of the road, fringe playoff team whose record is inflated because those two guys are so good.

There are people who believe the goalies are good because of the defense. I don’t see it that way. There are players who play 200 ft hockey on that team, but there are some weaknesses and more odd man rushes than I’d like

I can see the value of this swap if Carolina makes it close to net neutral, but I’d be surprised if Sweeney does it. Its a good discussion though

The irony is a there is a lot of concern is over a good 3rd line, journeymanish player in Chatfield. There are always players you love more than they should technically be worth. I assumed he was that player for the Hurricanes. In reality, players like him shouldn’t hold up a deal like this, but I can understand the hesitation there. Trent Frederic is developing into that player for me


Yea, Chatfield is one of those glue guys who at the end of the day, is replaceable, but is someone you'd rather not part with. Like Frederic, he's not the flashiest player or biggest name but he just plays really hard and seems to be well liked in the locker room and within the organization.
 
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