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If Arvy remains out all season

Créé par: Hckeydude123
Équipe: 2023-24 Kings de Los Angeles
Date de création initiale: 21 nov. 2023
Publié: 21 nov. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
LAK
  1. Monahan, Sean
  2. Montembeault, Samuel
Détails additionnels:
Last year Kings traded Quick+1st+3rd to CBJ for Korpisolo+Gavrikov. Monahan+Montembeault don't hold the same value as Korpisolo+Gavrikov.
MTL
  1. Anderson-Dolan, Jaret
  2. Turcotte, Alex
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (LAK)
Détails additionnels:
That should be enough.
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21 nov. 2023 à 14 h 26
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dont know about that one chief. from mtl
21 nov. 2023 à 14 h 29
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NO
21 nov. 2023 à 14 h 33
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That seems fine, steep price to pay but if Montembault and Monahan continue to perform and are on the market, this might be what it takes to get them
21 nov. 2023 à 14 h 54
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I wouldn't trade either of Turcotte or the 1st for that entire package, let alone both of them and JAD.
21 nov. 2023 à 14 h 58
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Monty gets a 2nd = Turcotte

Monahan is probably a late 1st = 1st and Dolan

This is fine but it depends on what the market is for a goalie. Right now there's three teams that consider themselves contenders that all need a goalie and if they offer more up for Monty then this gets turned down
21 nov. 2023 à 15 h 10
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can you make it 2025 1st instated ?
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I wouldn't trade either of Turcotte or the 1st for that entire package, let alone both of them and JAD.


go touch some grass bud, are you out of your mind ?!
21 nov. 2023 à 15 h 11
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Monty gets a 2nd = Turcotte

Monahan is probably a late 1st = 1st and Dolan

This is fine but it depends on what the market is for a goalie. Right now there's three teams that consider themselves contenders that all need a goalie and if they offer more up for Monty then this gets turned down


Am I missing something? Why would the Kings give up a their 3rd 1st round pick in 3 years and their single best forward prospect (who is currently leading their AHL team in scoring) for two rentals, especially when they already have a goalie putting up Vezina-worthy numbers and more left-handed wingers than they know what to do with?
21 nov. 2023 à 15 h 14
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can you make it 2025 1st instated ?

go touch some grass bud, are you out of your mind ?!


If both players had an extra year remaining on their respective contracts and Montreal was willing to retain ~30% on each of their deals, then maybe I'd consider it. As it stands, there's absolutely nothing in that package worth a 1st round pick.
21 nov. 2023 à 15 h 16
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If both players had an extra year remaining on their respective contracts and Montreal was willing to retain ~30% on each of their deals, then maybe I'd consider it. As it stands, there's absolutely nothing in that package worth a 1st round pick.


are you for real ????
21 nov. 2023 à 15 h 18
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are you for real ????


Yes. Are you?
21 nov. 2023 à 15 h 30
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Yes. Are you?


in what world is monahan not returning a 1st at the TDL
21 nov. 2023 à 15 h 39
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in what world is monahan not returning a 1st at the TDL


The same world as last year when Montreal fans insisted that he was going to return a 1st. He didn't and he won't. Assuming he can stay healthy all season (very unlikely) and keep up his production, the Artturi Lehkonen trade is a good comparable. So a 2nd and a decent prospect (i.e. not one as good as Turcotte) if Montreal retains 50%.

Monahan is a 3rd line winger on the Kings and Montembeault is a backup goaltender, and both are UFAs at the end of the season. This is a huge overpayment.
21 nov. 2023 à 15 h 44
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
The same world as last year when Montreal fans insisted that he was going to return a 1st. He didn't and he won't. Assuming he can stay healthy all season (very unlikely) and keep up his production, the Artturi Lehkonen trade is a good comparable. So a 2nd and a decent prospect (i.e. not one as good as Turcotte) if Montreal retains 50%.

Monahan is a 3rd line winger on the Kings and Montembeault is a backup goaltender, and both are UFAs at the end of the season. This is a huge overpayment.


lehkonen got a 1st and a2nd (barron is a successful 1st round pick0
21 nov. 2023 à 15 h 46
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
The same world as last year when Montreal fans insisted that he was going to return a 1st. He didn't and he won't. Assuming he can stay healthy all season (very unlikely) and keep up his production, the Artturi Lehkonen trade is a good comparable. So a 2nd and a decent prospect (i.e. not one as good as Turcotte) if Montreal retains 50%.

Monahan is a 3rd line winger on the Kings and Montembeault is a backup goaltender, and both are UFAs at the end of the season. This is a huge overpayment.


The Lehkonen trade was literally the equivalent of a 1st rd pick (Barron) and a 2nd rd pick....
21 nov. 2023 à 15 h 56
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lehkonen got a 1st and a2nd (barron is a successful 1st round pick0


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The Lehkonen trade was literally the equivalent of a 1st rd pick (Barron) and a 2nd rd pick....


Then this trade is the equivalent of two 1st round picks (if not more) since Turcotte was 5th overall.
21 nov. 2023 à 15 h 57
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Am I missing something? Why would the Kings give up a their 3rd 1st round pick in 3 years and their single best forward prospect (who is currently leading their AHL team in scoring) for two rentals, especially when they already have a goalie putting up Vezina-worthy numbers and more left-handed wingers than they know what to do with?


I don't know why the kings would do it but that's typically what the rental price is around TDL. Every year teams trying to win a cup give up picks for players to only play a couple months and the way Monahan has played he definitely warrants a 1st and as far as Monty goes his main value is his low AAV for a NHL quality goalie, that should be worth a 2nd.

All depends on what the kings needs are what price their comfortable to pay
21 nov. 2023 à 15 h 58
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Then this trade is the equivalent of two 1st round picks (if not more) since Turcotte was 5th overall.


5th overall 4 years ago and still isn't a regular NHL player. I know injuries have set him back but he doesn't have that value anymore
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21 nov. 2023 à 16 h 2
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5th overall 4 years ago and still isn't a regular NHL player. I know injuries have set him back but he doesn't have that value anymore


If we're using former draft position as "equivalents" then Montreal should be just fine taking Bjornfot and a 2nd for him. Don't forget the 50% retention.

Turcotte has higher value now than Barron did when he was traded. Now that he's healthy, he has looked every bit the #5 overall pick so far this season. He's currently leading the Reign in scoring. He'll be the next call-up to the Kings when they suffer their next inevitable forward injury.
21 nov. 2023 à 16 h 3
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Did LA waited too long to trade away their underperforming high profile prospects !?!?

I'm no scout but I bring up the Yakupov scenario...
21 nov. 2023 à 16 h 5
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I don't know why the kings would do it but that's typically what the rental price is around TDL. Every year teams trying to win a cup give up picks for players to only play a couple months and the way Monahan has played he definitely warrants a 1st and as far as Monty goes his main value is his low AAV for a NHL quality goalie, that should be worth a 2nd.

All depends on what the kings needs are what price their comfortable to pay


The Kings don't need any more left-handed wingers. Talbot is currently one of the front-runners for the Vezina, so they don't need Montembeault for anything more than a backup goaltender.

If this is the price Montreal is looking for, they should look elsewhere.
21 nov. 2023 à 16 h 6
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Did LA waited too long to trade away their underperforming high profile prospects !?!?

I'm no scout but I bring up the Yakupov scenario...


Yakupov didn't miss the better part of 3 seasons with injuries. Now that Turcotte is healthy, he looks every bit the player they drafted. Expect to see him in the NHL before the season is over.
21 nov. 2023 à 16 h 8
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Here's a good article from last week about Turcotte and where his game is at:

Alex Turcotte Is Embracing His Past To Fuel His Future
21 nov. 2023 à 16 h 8
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Then this trade is the equivalent of two 1st round picks (if not more) since Turcotte was 5th overall.


What a weak position to take lol Barron has been living up to his 1st rd pick pedigree. Turcotte has not, and is clearly not worth a 1st anymore.
21 nov. 2023 à 16 h 9
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The Kings don't need any more left-handed wingers. Talbot is currently one of the front-runners for the Vezina, so they don't need Montembeault for anything more than a backup goaltender.

If this is the price Montreal is looking for, they should look elsewhere.


Buddy I didn't make this post, I just commented on it. Settle down, post your opinion and move on
21 nov. 2023 à 16 h 16
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What a weak position to take lol Barron has been living up to his 1st rd pick pedigree. Turcotte has not, and is clearly not worth a 1st anymore.


I'd take Turcotte over Monahan right now.
 
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