A little steep for Hanafin but tempting. Bahl+2nd+4th would be something I'd really consider doing tho

Flames likely decline all of this except maybe the Hanifin trade

I don't see the Devils trading Bahl for a D rental

For what must be hundredth time:

Vladar. Isn't. Worth. A 2nd.

I'd do Lapierre and a second, but not a first.

Eh, Caps don't need to do that

agreed, but i'd say he most definitely is when the receiving team just so happens to have a goalie with a .870 save % and the other currently making 5 mil per year to get lit up in the minors...

have you never heard of this little thing called 'leverage'?

both the leafs and the caps trade are a little underwhelming... think CGY could extract a lottt more value there

That wouldn't get TOR Tanev, you'd have to add at lease a 2nd and not sure how they fit him under the cap. A 1st + Abruzzese + Timmins/Vilenneuve for Tanev 50% retained seems more appropriate

Yeah, without retention that's fair value for Zadorov, but I don't know how interested the Flames would be in Kyrou, he's pretty small

Vladar isn't worth a 2nd right now and EDM doesn't have the Cap Space

That NJD offer is closer to a Zadorov 50% retained deal. You'd have to swap one of the 2nds to a 1st for Hanifin, but I don't see NJD needing/wanting Hanifin (unless they fleeced Conroy again, like @dgibb10 is suggesting above and @pretzelcoatl, both Hanifin & Zadorov are looking for new contracts, so don't necessarily need to be rentals only). Zadorov and Tanev seems like much better Targets

Make it a 1st + either Strome or McMichael and maybe. Not that high on Lapierre, would only take him is it was a 1st + McMichael + Mantha + Lapierre (for taking back Mantha) and Honestly would much rather have Protas, Sandin, Alexeyev, Iorio or Cristall before Lapierre

From what I heard Conroy was really high on Yegor. I talked about it in a thread a while back but Bahl being moved for Hanifin would have to be a similar scenario where Conroy is really high on Bahl and it allows us to fleece. Based on Bahl's size and playstyle I wouldn't be shocked if fitz uses him to fleece someone at some point.

Oh yeah, for sure and Sharangovich isn't bad at all, I was high on and hopeful for him to break out in Calgary too, but Conroy should still have been able to get more considering the value of Toffoli's Cap Hit and something additional as insurance for Sharngovich in case he came in and only put up 0.50PPG or less, which is currently the case. That Guy needs to play with a lot more urgency, physicality and emotion though

I'd accept Bahl as part of a Trade for Zadorov, but Big-Z won't necessarily be cheap to re-sign, so I doubt if NJD wants to do that either

I disagree i think that trade is rather light. Bahl is growing into a decent 3rd pair defenseman but his ceiling is not much higher than that. If Bahl and a pair of 2nds 2 and 3 years away is New Jersey's best offer i don't think he ends up in NJ

LMFAO Strome / McM AND a 1st ..... hard pass what a silly offer

Don't see the hanafin market getting that high.

Gavrikov and Orlov both fetched a late first last year, with orlov garnering an extra 3rd.

I'd expect a GM could get fleeced into giving up a 2nd for Bahl, and I'm happy with him as a 3LD providing some size.
+2 more 2nds is higher than I see the market going on a Hanifin rental.

I'd happily offer 2nd+Bahl+4th, or 1st+3rd, or 1st+lower tier prospect you like, just don't see the teams who are gonna buy at a price higher than that

Vladar is not worth a 2nd and I think Tanev is worth a lot more, rest seems fine-ish

I think the interest will be quite high. There are not a lot of defenseman on the market this year and it seems a lot of teams are looking to add defensemen. Hanifin is a 1st pairing caliber PMD in his prime

Not sure what you find funny or think is so silly about that exactly, but thanks for coming out and participating with your vague and essentially useless post anyways there bud

I might be wrong, but just based on how I see the market shaking out

Hanafin will go cheaper than people expect
Zadorov will be overpaid for by someone
Tanev will get a solid haul.

I think Hanifin is the best of the 3 but Tanev RHD and Zadorov big human throw big hit=guys who get overpaid for.

All props to calgary if Hanifin gets a haul too, just my prediction, and where the price would be reasonable for NJD imo

Caps pass. Lindholm is overrated and they aren't spending a 1st and top prospect for a rental.

No thanks i rather keep Bahl. Carrier would be cheaper ill look there. So Devils get again SMALLER, why do we not learn from last year.

Strome and Lindholm has similar production the last 2 years and Strome is on a much much better deal and 2 years younger... so that right there is 1 reason why that trade is laughable. McM is currently slotted as the Caps 2c and is improving. I dont see why we would ever trade him... esp for a rental player that will likely demand to be overpaid to stay. Lindholm value is around a 1st + prospect... i personal wouldnt even give that up for him. "Honestly would much rather have Protas, Sandin, Alexeyev, Iorio or Cristall before Lapierre" naming players like Sandin, Protas, Cristall as player you want in additon to a 1st is just silly. Also why are you not high on Lap?

I think you are undervaluing interest. I think Calgary is very likely to retain on Hanifin if they sell him and don't have much issue taking back short term cap (expiring UFA or 1 year remaining) to make it work. I think contending teams like Dallas, Florida, Boston, and New Jersey will all be in on him. Along with other teams that see him as a potential core player for the next 8 years; like Arizona, St. Louis, Washington, Seattle, NYI, and Buffalo. Obviously teams will drop out or look elsewhere but I think teams will look at how well Lindholm has done with the Bruins and say "this guy is younger than McDavid, he's got at least 7 more high quality years left."

Boston has 4 quality LHD imo
Dallas already has their best 2 dman as LHD

AZ may be in but I highly doubt they go close to the Chych price. Bad look PR wise to give up 3 years of a cheap chych for 1 year of hanifin
I don't think wash ends up buying another LHD after spending a 1st on sandin last year
Buffalo already has their 3 best dman as lefties, do they want a 4th?
Will St louis want to buy, and can they afford a 4th 6 million dollar dman?
NYI if they add hanafin at 6 mill will be over the cap with just 10 forwards next year. I don't see them paying to bring in Hanifin then paying to dump a guy so they can keep him.


I just don't see the market getting big, especially if you're trying to convince non playoff teams to give a 1st for a pending UFA

Miro hasn't played LD in years, yes he's left handed but a top pairing of Hanifin - Heiskanen is a lot better than a top pair of Suter - Heiskanen.

Grz is injured and Carlo is injury prone, right now Boston has a rookie playing in the top 4.

Chychrun asked for a trade and they obliged, if Hanifin is interested in an extension with them that is far from bad PR.

Washington has apparently showed interest and he fits their currently cores age decently. That team may show immense interest or none at all, complete toss up.

Buffalo has Dahlin permanently on the right side and Power flirting with playing there. They were also reported to be interested in Hanifin during the summer. Again you are focussing too much on the way a player holds a stick.

I agree on St. Louis being a long shot due to their current d-core's cost but I think that team is more focused on improving their roster for their current core. Leddy hasn't worked out as planned, Krug is falling off, and Perunovich hasn't taken that step. Yes Hanifin would be expensive but he would instantly be on their top pairing and undoubtedly improve their roster. Plus he fits in the same age group as Robertson and Kyrou.

Lou does things like that all the time. Over the last couple years he's literally added to the roster and "moved on" from Bailey, Leddy, Komarov, Beauvillier, and Eberle. Clearly the teams defense isn't playing well enough they aren't getting any offense from the blue line besides Dobson. Right now the Isles are poised to be at 81.42M next year with only Wahlstrom and Holmstrom being relevant RFA's. Neither of which are currently making a particularly great case for a big pay day either.

Calgary isn't going to deny teams the right to talk to the player or agent about an extension. I fully expect that to happen and any of these non - true contenders would need that as a prerequisite. Again he's in his prime, teams will absolutely have interest, especially in a weak defense market

Do as you please, but I suggest dropping the laughable comments and LMFAO's, they makes you look and come across as being very silly, immature and childish, now let's talk hockey

Lindholm is very well respected across the league and he's a Selke Quality All-Star Centre/Forward, who's scored 42 Goals and 1.00PPG twice, something neither Strome nor McMichael have done, he's also has the less common and therefore coveted Right Hand Shot.

Strome had a decent season with WSH and was rewarded with a $5mil contract, because that's all he'd worth. Lindholm on the other hand will bring $8.5mil/yr+ on his next contract because he's on another level. He's better in every facet of the game, including on the Faceoff Dot and especially Defensively and Killing Penalties, which neither Strome or McMichael are trusted to do

If you'd prefer to keep the Younger, Cheaper, Substantially Lesser Players, you're certainly entitled to have that opinion, whatever floats your boat man, but the reason why WSH would consider this is because A) Backstrom is gone and out for the year and who knows if he ever comes back B) They need a True 1C and Kuznetsov, Strome & McMichael are not as good as Lindholm and perhaps most importantly, C) They owe it to Ovechkin to go all out in his pursuit to beat Gretzky's record and end his career on a high note

Lindholm is worth AT LEAST what Horvat was Traded for, which was initially projected to be a 13th Overall Pick (ended up becoming 17th overall since NYI improved and made the playoffs) + Top Prospect/Raty + Quality Roster Player. Many consider Lindholm > Horvat.

Many don't agree, but with his Right Shot and Superior Shooting Accuracy, I find Lindholm <= Injured/Questionable/Entitled Jack Eichel who fetched BUF a 16th OA Pick + Top Prospect/Krebs + 2nd + Above Average Player. Therefore Lindholm to me is worth something i between the two: Top-20 1st Round Pick + Top Prospect + 2nd/3rd (For Retention if needed) and a Decent Roster Player and I don't consider Mantha to be a decent Roster Player, so I'd still expect the 2nd/3rd with no retention on Lindholm if we took Mantha back

The reason I'm not high on lets start with McMichael: He's not a True Centre, he's a LW, who can play Centre, who couldn't even put up 1.00PPG in the AHL... I mean, even Matthew Phillips tore up the AHL for gosh sakes and nobody ever considered him a Top Prospect. Is McMichael potentially gonna be a late bloomer? Maybe, but looking at his past, he really only had one impressive year and that was 2019-2020. I'd take him, but I don't even consider him to be a Top Prospect anymore given he'll be 23 year in January and on his last year of Waiver Eligibility. Similar to Strome, he likely peaks as a 2nd/3rd line forward and never becomes a 1st Line Player, unless he gets moved back to LW and excels with a Great Centre

Lapierre is a guy we probably could have Traded up to Draft, but chose not too. He's Smaller and not very impressive offensively. What McMichael did in 2019-2020 in the OHL is far more impressive than anything Lapierre did in the QMJHL, especially since Scoring in the Q is substantially easier. Compare MTL's Owen Beck to Riley Kidney for example. Kidney's statistics look far better, but he's nowhere near the Player Beck is, hence their Draft & Depth Positions. Similar to McMichael, Lapierre isn't scoring at a 1.00PPG in the AHL, he's only putting up 0.50PPG. Pelletier & Zary are far better Prospects to me than McMichael or Lapierre, who isn't great on Faceoffs either and will likely end up at LW as well. The only reason he's in the lineup at all is because Backstrom is out, Kuznetsov is sick and they don't have anybody better. Could he come out of his shell??? Maybe, but I'm not expecting him too and therefore would pass on him all day long for a guy who brings Size and a Belarussian connection in Poitras, an LD who's actually put up numbers in the NHL and could replace Hanifin when he's eventually Traded = Sandin or one with Size and Good Defence = Alexeyev, an intriguing RD Prospect because the Flames lack Depth at that position = Iorio or a Young Prospect like Cristall, who's smaller, but absolutely killing it in the WHL and we could groom and develop from scratch in our Organization

So in the end, Lindholm is worth what I'm suggesting because, while he might not be Elite, 1C's are very difficult to come by, especially those with a Right Shot. Flames might be better off extending and not Trading him for this very reason, but if he wants to move on, we're going to look for the best possible deal and what's been proposed here isn't gonna get it done and other than Ryan Leonard and maybe Miroshnichenko, who we don't need as much as C/RD Prospects, I don't think WSH really has any significant Top Prospects of real value based on everything I pointed out above. I mean, just because they were Drafted in the First Round, doesn't mean anything and especially if/when they weren't Top 15-20 Picks. Heck, I could argue the only reason Strome got picked so early is because he played on a Team with Connor McDavid who elevated everybody's Draft Value on that Team, just like Travis Dermott's for example

Sorry for the book, but that's hockey talk