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Créé par: LFG

Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh

Date de création initiale: 1 nov. 2023

Publié: 1 nov. 2023

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Trying to go for a Neal for Hornqvuist esque trade. Jake is undoubtedly the best player in the deal but Jeannot may be just the player the pens have been drastically missing since hornqvuist fell off a cliff. Paul would be a great third liner for what our bottom six is trying to accomplish plus isnt a total liability in the offensive end. Pair this with a different HC and i think we can make a really nice bounce back this season. Nylander can be replaced with White, Hinostoza, or even POJ but i think he is the best of the 4.

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Jack Johnson: 916 667 $

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Jeff Petry: 1 562 500 $ (25%)

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	83 500 000 $	81 529 342 $	0 $	0 $	1 970 658 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Jeannot, Tanner 2 665 000 $2 665 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2	Crosby, Sidney 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $ C NMC UFA - 2	Rust, Bryan 5 125 000 $5 125 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 5
Smith, Reilly 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 2	Malkin, Evgeni 6 100 000 $6 100 000 $ C NMC UFA - 3	Rakell, Rickard 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 5
O'Connor, Drew 925 000 $925 000 $ AG UFA - 2	Paul, Nicholas 3 150 000 $3 150 000 $ C, AG NTC UFA - 6	Zohorna, Radim 775 000 $775 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Nieto, Matt 900 000 $900 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Eller, Lars 2 450 000 $2 450 000 $ C UFA - 2	Acciari, Noel 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ C, AD M-NTC UFA - 3
		Carter, Jeff 3 125 000 $3 125 000 $ AD, C NMC UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Graves, Ryan 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 6	Karlsson, Erik 10 000 000 $10 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 4	Jarry, Tristan 5 375 000 $5 375 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 5
Pettersson, Marcus 4 025 175 $4 025 175 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Letang, Kris 6 100 000 $6 100 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 5	Hellberg, Magnus 785 000 $785 000 $ G UFA - 1
Ludvig, John 775 000 $775 000 $ DG RFA - 2	Shea, Ryan 775 000 $775 000 $ DG UFA - 1
	Ruhwedel, Chad 800 000 $800 000 $ DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
		Nedeljkovic, Alex 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ G UFA - 1

Équipe de réserve
Johnsson, Andreas 800 000 $800 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AG, AD UFA - 1

1 nov. 2023 à 23 h 59

Kyle_Okposo_Lover

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plus 2 1sts?

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2 nov. 2023 à 0 h 18

pens1991

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that return on jake is trash. If you're going to trade him either get a combo of Draft Capital and prospects. or a U24 NHL player

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2 nov. 2023 à 0 h 41

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Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover

plus 2 1sts?

2 nov. 2023 à 2 h 12

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Would love Guentz, but I don't think the Bolts aren't gonna move Jeannot before they get a full season out of him, especially when he's in year 1 of 2 of his reasonably priced contract.
Same goes for Paul, cost effective middle six forward for TB.

I truly don't know if we'd have the room to resign Stamkos and Hedman if we took this and signed him long term tbh lol

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2 nov. 2023 à 7 h 16

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Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover

plus 2 1sts?

Step away from the hallucinogens and seek professional help. Only if Pittsburgh is adding those firsts

2 nov. 2023 à 9 h 40

Leafsfan98

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Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover

plus 2 1sts?

Quoting: boltsfan71

Tampa doesn't have 2 more 1sts to spend... + Jake is too good to be spending 1rsts on according to Brisebois' trading history... Brisebois' wondering if Pat Maroon and Corey Perry are still available

2 nov. 2023 à 9 h 49

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

Tampa doesn't have 2 more 1sts to spend... + Jake is too good to be spending 1rsts on according to Brisebois' trading history... Brisebois' wondering if Pat Maroon and Corey Perry are still available

Yeah let's see JBB traded firsts for Coleman, Goodrow,Savard, TB won the Cup after doing so Hagel, went to Cup after doing so, scored 30 goals the following year. Jeannot injured 3 games into his lightning tenure a we'll see result. Brisebois has been pretty f***ING successful trading 1st. I understand you're a Leafs fan and most likely have no idea what winning the Cup is about but Cup victories are much more important than first round picks.

2 nov. 2023 à 9 h 51

Leafsfan98

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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs

And? Trading 5 picks for a dude who got healthy scratched... 2 1sts for a guy who was worse than Alex DeBrincat and went for more... Spending 1sts on 3rd line players is totally the way to go...

2 nov. 2023 à 9 h 52

Boltsbeathabs

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

And? Trading 5 picks for a dude who got healthy scratched... 2 1sts for a guy who was worse than Alex DeBrincat and went for more... Spending 1sts on 3rd line players is totally the way to go...

He really wasn't healthy. If those third line guys are big factors in back to back cups I trade those firsts a billion times out of a billion

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2 nov. 2023 à 10 h 6

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Guentzel definitely fills out Tampa's top 6 and makes it deadly. But trading away 2/3's of their 3rd line to get him makes the bottom 6 pretty worthless. Kind of like the Pens has been recently. Can't make a real Cup run with only two effective forward lines. And Tampa probably can't afford to resign Guentzel next year either. Tampa Bay probably declines.

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2 nov. 2023 à 10 h 16

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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs

He really wasn't healthy. If those third line guys are big factors in back to back cups I trade those firsts a billion times out of a billion

They weren't though... Tampa wins those 2 cups with or without those 3rd line guys... And if they kept those picks, they most likely win more...

2 nov. 2023 à 10 h 21

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

They weren't though... Tampa wins those 2 cups with or without those 3rd line guys... And if they kept those picks, they most likely win more...

No they don't Coleman Goodrow and Gourde started 95% of the periods during those playoffs for a reason. Barclay Goodrow was on the ice to end the bubble and 21 season for a reason.

2 nov. 2023 à 10 h 25

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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs

No they don't Coleman Goodrow and Gourde started 95% of the periods during those playoffs for a reason. Barclay Goodrow was on the ice to end the bubble and 21 season for a reason.

And? You're telling me the current Tampa Bay Lightning, in their prime, plus more depth can't beat Dallas and MTL?

2 nov. 2023 à 10 h 27

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

And? You're telling me the current Tampa Bay Lightning, in their prime, plus more depth can't beat Dallas and MTL?

They don't get past either of the Islanders teams to find iut

2 nov. 2023 à 10 h 36

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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs

They don't get past either of the Islanders teams to find iut

Which run? 2020, with their young guys coming up... Or 2021, where Vasy was unbeatable?

2 nov. 2023 à 11 h 21

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

Which run? 2020, with their young guys coming up... Or 2021, where Vasy was unbeatable?

Both actually it wasn't continually referred to as the best third line to n hockey for no reason. Were they the most important pieces ? No. Does TB win back to back without them? Again no.

2 nov. 2023 à 11 h 24

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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs

Both actually it wasn't continually referred to as the best third line to n hockey for no reason. Were they the most important pieces ? No. Does TB win back to back without them? Again no.

Tampa probably does TBH...

And those moves didn't have multiple 1sts or 1st+2nd+3rd+4rth+5th...

2 nov. 2023 à 11 h 32

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

Tampa probably does TBH...

And those moves didn't have multiple 1sts or 1st+2nd+3rd+4rth+5th...

Hagel I was fiercely against however I was thankfully somewhat wrong . Hagel is a very solid piece. 30/30 last year second amongst fowards I take-aways last season top PP&PK guy. Did fine with that one. Jeannot is a let's see he was injured (high ankle sprain) 3games into his lightning tenure. Gas played well so far this year.

2 nov. 2023 à 11 h 49

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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs

Considering ADB went for 1 1st, 1 4rth and Kubalik... I think Tampa would be much better off with ADB than Hagel

2 nov. 2023 à 11 h 57

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

Considering ADB went for 1 1st, 1 4rth and Kubalik... I think Tampa would be much better off with ADB than Hagel

Considering TB got 2 full seasons of Hagel @1.5 then 8@6.5 I'll respectfully disagree with you

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2 nov. 2023 à 12 h 26

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

Tampa doesn't have 2 more 1sts to spend... + Jake is too good to be spending 1rsts on according to Brisebois' trading history... Brisebois' wondering if Pat Maroon and Corey Perry are still available

im just so glad I never the bolts never traded a first for foligno, now that would be stupid for someone to do

2 nov. 2023 à 12 h 42

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Quoting: Brolekb2b

I feel like if this move happened it would be signaling they are mivjing on from one of stamkos or hedman. More than likely stamkos as youd have your 1st line set with guentz-point-kuch

2 nov. 2023 à 17 h 6

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Quoting: boltsfan71

im just so glad I never the bolts never traded a first for foligno, now that would be stupid for someone to do

Don't worry, they traded more for less

2 nov. 2023 à 17 h 6

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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs

Considering TB got 2 full seasons of Hagel 1.5 then 86.5 I'll respectfully disagree with you

Ok...

2 nov. 2023 à 20 h 35

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Modifié 2 nov. 2023 à 23 h 36

Quoting: Leafsfan98

Ok...

Hagel is much better defensively doesn't take shifts off. I'm not trusting ADB to not get disinterested and lazy again like he did in Ottawa anyway. They best predictor of future actions is past behaviors.

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