Who wants Chabot

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
21	83 500 000 $	71 754 047 $	0 $	1 850 000 $	11 745 953 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Tkachuk, Brady 8 205 714 $8 205 714 $ AG UFA - 5	Stützle, Tim 8 350 000 $8 350 000 $ C UFA - 8	Giroux, Claude 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ AD, C NMC UFA - 2
Joseph, Mathieu 2 950 000 $2 950 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3	Greig, Ridly 863 333 $863 333 $ C, AG RFA - 2	Tarasenko, Vladimir 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AD NTC UFA - 1
Kubalik, Dominik 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Norris, Joshua 7 950 000 $7 950 000 $ C UFA - 7	Batherson, Drake 4 975 000 $4 975 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 4
Kelly, Parker 762 500 $762 500 $ AG RFA - 1	Chartier, Rourke 775 000 $775 000 $ C UFA - 1	Smejkal, Jiri 870 000 $870 000 $ AG UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Sanderson, Jake 925 000 $925 000 $ (1 850 000 $$2M) DG UFA - 1	Zub, Artem 4 600 000 $4 600 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 4	Korpisalo, Joonas 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 5
Chychrun, Jakob 4 600 000 $4 600 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 2		Forsberg, Anton 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ G UFA - 2
Kleven, Tyler 916 667 $916 667 $ DG RFA - 2	Hamonic, Travis 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Bernard-Docker, Jacob 805 000 $805 000 $ DD RFA - 2		Brännström, Erik 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG/DD, AG RFA - 1
Kastelic, Mark 835 000 $835 000 $ C, AD RFA - 2

28 oct. 2023 à 23 h 6

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Modifié 28 oct. 2023 à 23 h 58

Csick can you please stop with this "dump" Chabot crusade?

All you are creating is inviting the CF trolls to pollute this forum with their stupid takes

We just went through being harassed for giving our next first or Greig for taking Joseph's contract which was highly stupid to begin with.

Quoting: Boodin

not many teams if any would be willing to pay anything to take on his contract with how poorly hes been defensively. But as a Ott fan a physical defensive dman (larsson, schenn type of player). You aren't getting 8mil worth of return on a chabot trade atm.

Most hockey fans don't understand "defense". Even many people I have played with for a long time don't.

Many fans think Erik Karlsson is the worst D-man of his generation defensively. People have a very 70's/80's archaic vision of defense. It takes A LOT of time for some to get on with progress. Like any other psychologic object, hockey evolves. Puck recovery and transition is much more important than cross checking in front of the net....

I mean, we have a GM who stupidly thought that having Erik Gudbranson and Josh Brown was going to produce a "good defense". We first hand should understand that's not how it works.

28 oct. 2023 à 23 h 18

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Quoting: Xspyrit

lol

Greig is untouchable

Marner isn't worth anything close to that, stop kidding yourself

First you have Chabot which is already a pretty big portion of Marner's value

Then 2 firsts...

But then Greig AND Pinto? Get lost troll

Chabot isn't a need in Toronto... Especially bc Rielly is way better and cheaper and is a known playoff performer... Chabot would be viewed as a number 2/3 making 8 mill... So your assessment is wrong... Greig and Pinto are nice but you are massively overvaluing both and the 2 1rst are necessity...

If you don't like this deal... Have fun with your 8 million dollar number 2/3

28 oct. 2023 à 23 h 18

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Ok I know he hasn't been great but is there any desire for Ottawa to move him?

No and they would be stupid to want that. It's actually management and coaching that needs to be changed. Trading Chabot would end poorly like Zibanejad, Stone and many others.

Quoting: csick

It’s not that he’s not good , he can do a lot of things on the ice . He just struggles to defend

You're not looking at this correctly.

- Chabot has been there since the team fell off a cliff in 2017-18. He was DOMINANT in his 2nd season when he still had a bit of talent to play with.

- Then, as talent got traded away, he was left by himself having to carry a team on his shoulders. He has played most of his shifts with Nikita Zaitsev.

- He had to go through a lot of losing as he had no help, surely some bad habits were created because not only we were rebuilding, but we haven't had a coaching staff that can instill 2-way play and an efficient team defense structure

- Look at what some other teams with MUCH LESS talent on defense are doing... better defensive results. It was a LOT to do with neutral zone play and hockey systems.

- A good coaching staff would have Chabot playing to his strengths but not only he had to go through all what was mentioned above, but now he has to play his off-side lol

Did you watch the 1st period against Pittsburgh tonight? This is EXACTLY why guys like Chabot and Brannstrom were deeply missed. The best SKILL in defense in today's hockey is TRANSITION.

28 oct. 2023 à 23 h 32

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

Chabot isn't a need in Toronto...

Then why the **** are YOU making a proposal?

People logos is so freaking weak these days, I'm having a ball lol

Quoting: Leafsfan98

Especially bc Rielly is way better and cheaper and is a known playoff performer... Chabot would be viewed as a number 2/3 making 8 mill... So your assessment is wrong... Greig and Pinto are nice but you are massively overvaluing both and the 2 1rst are necessity...

Rielly is not better at all. He has been playing on a better team while Ottawa was rebuilding, surrounded by more talent and most importantly a GOOD coaching staff with much better hockey systems. They have exactly the same strengths and weaknesses, just Chabot being a bit more talented.

And I wouldn't trade Greig at all, and even less for Marner and his 11 M$ one year contract.

Pinto and 2 firsts just make it ridiculous. NO CHANCE I am trading Chabot and Greig for Marner.

Quoting: Leafsfan98

If you don't like this deal... Have fun with your 8 million dollar number 2/3

Am I the OP? I am not looking to trade Chabot at all

OP is just having a classic fan reaction, wanting some big changes when things are not going well, but he's forgetting or not seeing that all we need is a GM AND a coaching change

28 oct. 2023 à 23 h 50

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Quoting: Xspyrit

Then why the **** are YOU making a proposal?

People logos is so freaking weak these days, I'm having a ball lol

BC of the cap space and the 2 1sts...

Quoting: Xspyrit

Rielly is not better at all. He has been playing on a better team while Ottawa was rebuilding, surrounded by more talent and most importantly a GOOD coaching staff with much better hockey systems. They have exactly the same strengths and weaknesses, just Chabot being a bit more talented.

And I wouldn't trade Greig at all, and even less for Marner and his 11 M$ one year contract.

Pinto and 2 firsts just make it ridiculous. NO CHANCE I am trading Chabot and Greig for Marner.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂... Chabot's never been to the playoffs and has gotten more than 55 points despite getting all the minutes and time and patience in the world... Quit acting like Chabot is better than he actually is... The bias is real...

Quoting: Xspyrit

Am I the OP? I am not looking to trade Chabot at all

OP is just having a classic fan reaction, wanting some big changes when things are not going well, but he's forgetting or not seeing that all we need is a GM AND a coaching change

Good, have fun with him

30 oct. 2023 à 19 h 59

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

BC of the cap space and the 2 1sts...

ok so you swap Marner for Chabot, save 5 M$, and add Greig, two 1sts and Pinto

ok lol

Quoting: Leafsfan98

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂... Chabot's never been to the playoffs and has gotten more than 55 points despite getting all the minutes and time and patience in the world... Quit acting like Chabot is better than he actually is... The bias is real...

He has been on a rebuilding team all these years... and he's a D-man, of course he didn't get more than 55 pts, which was in only 70 games too

Reilly on a playoffs team surrounded by better talent only beat that 55 pts twice in 10 years... Chabot has a career 0.60 PPG while Reilly has a career 0.58 PPG lol

Chabot often been ranked above Reilly in D-men rankings but yeah sure, your opinion above everyone else. And you call other biased lol

Quoting: Leafsfan98

Good, have fun with him

Of course, still waiting on the GM/coaching change but at the same time, the team sale only happened less than 2 months ago so have to be patient, it's coming

31 oct. 2023 à 9 h 17

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Quoting: Xspyrit

ok so you swap Marner for Chabot, save 5 M$, and add Greig, two 1sts and Pinto

ok lol

Makes sense, 1 roster player, 1 good prospect, 1 player who's suspended for the next 41 games and 2 1sts for a top 25 player in the league

Quoting: Xspyrit

He has been on a rebuilding team all these years... and he's a D-man, of course he didn't get more than 55 pts, which was in only 70 games too

Reilly on a playoffs team surrounded by better talent only beat that 55 pts twice in 10 years... Chabot has a career 0.60 PPG while Reilly has a career 0.58 PPG lol

Chabot often been ranked above Reilly in D-men rankings but yeah sure, your opinion above everyone else. And you call other biased lol

You must be forgetting that the Leafs were rebuilding from 2012-2016-17 and Phaneuf was the guy bc of that monster contract, not Rielly unlike Chabot in Ottawa... If we want to do the math in the years you "claim" Rielly was worse than Chabot while Rielly was on a competitive team and Chabot was on a rebuilding team (getting 1rst pairing, 1rst PP minutes, number 1 option and everything) is: 302/415=0.72 PPG, far superior than Chabot... so stop trying to be horrendously biased...

Quoting: Xspyrit

Of course, still waiting on the GM/coaching change but at the same time, the team sale only happened less than 2 months ago so have to be patient, it's coming

Both need to go... But have fun with your 8 mill defensemen

31 oct. 2023 à 10 h 12

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

Makes sense, 1 roster player, 1 good prospect, 1 player who's suspended for the next 41 games and 2 1sts for a top 25 player in the league

lol, I have nothing else to say than dream on.

It's like I was asking for Tkachuk (who has a MUCH better contract than Marner both in length and cost) :

Rielly (3.75 retained) + Matthew Knies + Timothy Liljegren + 1st + 1st

And you talk about others being biased

Quoting: Leafsfan98

You must be forgetting that the Leafs were rebuilding from 2012-2016-17 and Phaneuf was the guy bc of that monster contract, not Rielly unlike Chabot in Ottawa... If we want to do the math in the years you "claim" Rielly was worse than Chabot while Rielly was on a competitive team and Chabot was on a rebuilding team (getting 1rst pairing, 1rst PP minutes, number 1 option and everything) is: 302/415=0.72 PPG, far superior than Chabot... so stop trying to be horrendously biased...

lol just more non-sense

So "Phaneuf was the guy" is the reason why it took time for Rielly to produce? lol he started playing over 20 mins in his 20 y/o season and has been RELIANT on PP production RIGHT AWAY. 12/27 in his rookie season were PP pts. heck, even in his first 50+ pts season, 25/52 pts were on the PP.

There was only 1 or 2 seasons that Reilly didn;t have a great supporting cast, but even before Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Tavares, there was Kessel, JVR, Kadri, Phaneuf, Bozak, Lupul, etc. Chabot went through a scorched earth rebuild where they moved absolutely everybody and they waited for prospects to graduate...

Quoting: Leafsfan98

Both need to go... But have fun with your 8 mill defensemen

Sanderson and Chabot are quite good don't worry. Chychrun too but doesn't make 8 mil yet. Well, also Sanderson is still on his ELC lol

31 oct. 2023 à 10 h 31

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Quoting: Xspyrit

lol, I have nothing else to say than dream on.

It's like I was asking for Tkachuk (who has a MUCH better contract than Marner both in length and cost) :

Rielly (3.75 retained) + Matthew Knies + Timothy Liljegren + 1st + 1st

And you talk about others being biased

No, it's not, you're asking for a better player, on a cheaper contract, a way better prospect, a cost effective RHD and 2 1sts... I was proposing so much less value...

Quoting: Xspyrit

lol just more non-sense

So "Phaneuf was the guy" is the reason why it took time for Rielly to produce? lol he started playing over 20 mins in his 20 y/o season and has been RELIANT on PP production RIGHT AWAY. 12/27 in his rookie season were PP pts. heck, even in his first 50+ pts season, 25/52 pts were on the PP.

There was only 1 or 2 seasons that Reilly didn;t have a great supporting cast, but even before Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Tavares, there was Kessel, JVR, Kadri, Phaneuf, Bozak, Lupul, etc. Chabot went through a scorched earth rebuild where they moved absolutely everybody and they waited for prospects to graduate...

Man, 12 PP points in 73 games is so much, just like 9 PP points in 82 the following season, or the 8 PP points after that, or the 5 after that... Then Phanuf gets traded and the Leafs become a playoff team and magically, Rielly has a .72 PPG... Definitely go with your logic where it came out of nowhere...

Rielly didn't have Matthews/Marner/Nylander/JT until 2016-17, 4 years after he was drafted... And come on dude, Kessel went from number 1 guy in TO to 3rd line in Pittsburgh, Kadri went from 1rst line in TO in 2015 to 3rd line in 2018... Bozak went from 2nd line in 2015 to 4rth line in 2018... Rielly's supporting cast from 2012-Matthews being drafted wasn't very good, they got the 1rst overall pick in fact...

As for Chabot, he had a competitive team around him, one that just made the ECF and added Matt Duchene, what happened? and weren't the Sens supposed to be comppettitive for 2-3 years now?
Stop trying to BS me BTW, the Sens had as many lottery picks while Chabot was with Ottawa as Toronto did while Rielly was in TO...

Quoting: Xspyrit

Sanderson and Chabot are quite good don't worry. Chychrun too but doesn't make 8 mil yet. Well, also Sanderson is still on his ELC lol

Have fun then... I do wonder what the excuse will be this year though

31 oct. 2023 à 14 h 29

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

No, it's not, you're asking for a better player, on a cheaper contract, a way better prospect, a cost effective RHD and 2 1sts

Go ask around (not Leafs fans of course lol) if they would rather have Tkachuk (just turned 24 y/o) at $8,205,714 x 5 years or 26 y/o Marner at $10,903,000 x 2 years. Many would rather have Tkachuk and it would be very close to the majority at least... so the comparison works.

- Rielly "cheaper contract" is because in your proposal you create 5 M$ of cap space. In my proposal, only 4.5 M$

- Reilly is NOT better than Chabot, according to raw stats, advanced stats and the hockey community...

- So you're saying Knies is a "way better prospect" than Ridly Greig? ok lol they're the same age and Greig is already a 2-way monster

- Liljegren is a cost effective RHD, what would Pinto be you think? A cost effective C lol

- 2 firsts from Ottawa > 2 firsts from Toronto (for this season at least)

Quoting: Leafsfan98

I was proposing so much less value...

Of course, because you think

- Rielly > Chabot
- Knies >> Greig
- Liljegren > Pinto
- 2 firsts (TOR) = 2 firsts (OTT)

You're an insufferable homer (yet who calls others homers), so of course you think that lol

Quoting: Leafsfan98

Man, 12 PP points in 73 games is so much, just like 9 PP points in 82 the following season, or the 8 PP points after that, or the 5 after that... Then Phanuf gets traded and the Leafs become a playoff team and magically, Rielly has a .72 PPG... Definitely go with your logic where it came out of nowhere...

Rielly didn't have Matthews/Marner/Nylander/JT until 2016-17, 4 years after he was drafted... And come on dude, Kessel went from number 1 guy in TO to 3rd line in Pittsburgh, Kadri went from 1rst line in TO in 2015 to 3rd line in 2018... Bozak went from 2nd line in 2015 to 4rth line in 2018... Rielly's supporting cast from 2012-Matthews being drafted wasn't very good, they got the 1rst overall pick in fact...

As for Chabot, he had a competitive team around him, one that just made the ECF and added Matt Duchene, what happened? and weren't the Sens supposed to be comppettitive for 2-3 years now?
Stop trying to BS me BTW, the Sens had as many lottery picks while Chabot was with Ottawa as Toronto did while Rielly was in TO...

Damn, really have to explain every little thing

- It's not about 12 PPP in 73 games being a lot or not, it's in relation with the total points lol... 44% of his production on the PP, same with his first 50 pts season, 48% on the PP!

- oh yeah, Leafs became a playoffs team because trading Phaneuf unleashed the great Morgan Rielly and NOT because they added 3 young elite players... lol

- Rielly NEVER had a 0.72 PPG season... I mean you're not even capable of getting facts straight, what are you doing trying to argue with me? lol

- Rielly had 0.36 PPG the first season when the Leafs made the playoffs in 2016-17 You were probably not even old enough to follow so I actually know more about these Leafs teams than you do. Damn, you're funny kid, not every polite but funny

- Dear mother of... more inaccuracies... Chabot played ONE game in 2016-17, the last time the Sens made the playoffs. Yes he played with Duchene and company in 2017-18, but that was his 20 y/o rookie season... That team fell apart and was quickly dismantled by an owner who wanted to pay off his loan debt.

- As for the lottery picks or evenbeing competitive. Considering Sanderson, Stutzle and Greig are just 21 years old... no they weren't supposed to be competitive years ago... but it could have been better IF they weren't stuck with the worst GM/coaching combo in the league

- "lottery" picks : Tkachuk 4th OA, Stutzle 3rd OA, Sanderson 5th OA... Stutzle's pick was obtained by trading a 2 times Norris winner (now 3 times)

31 oct. 2023 à 16 h 51

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Quoting: Xspyrit

Go ask around (not Leafs fans of course lol) if they would rather have Tkachuk (just turned 24 y/o) at $8,205,714 x 5 years or 26 y/o Marner at $10,903,000 x 2 years. Many would rather have Tkachuk and it would be very close to the majority at least... so the comparison works.

- Rielly "cheaper contract" is because in your proposal you create 5 M$ of cap space. In my proposal, only 4.5 M$

- Reilly is NOT better than Chabot, according to raw stats, advanced stats and the hockey community...

- So you're saying Knies is a "way better prospect" than Ridly Greig? ok lol they're the same age and Greig is already a 2-way monster

- Liljegren is a cost effective RHD, what would Pinto be you think? A cost effective C lol

- 2 firsts from Ottawa > 2 firsts from Toronto (for this season at least)

Weren't we talking about Matthew and not Brady? BC if it is Brady, then Marner is FAR more valuable than Brady... Especially considering Marner's defensive status, offensive status and that he's widely considered a top 25 player in the NHL while Brady is on the brink of a top 40-50 player... For example, despite Marner being a playmaker, he's still has the same career high as Brady, with more points and is defensively better... But you being a homer discredits that... Matthew is making 9.5 mill and while yes, he's probably the better player... my next points make up the difference and then some...

- 2 mill retained on Chabot... 8mill-2mill=6mill (I thought you could do math or you were claiming to have skipped a grade or something like that) vs Rielly... 7.5mill-3.75mill=3.75mill... The difference between those two numbers is 2.25mill.

- Rielly is clearly the better player... The fact that you "ignore" the easy stats since Chabot broke into the league that shows Rielly's in another tier compared to Chabot is astonishing... And your only excuse is the hockey community that you pick and choose and ignore or discredit the ones that point out actual stats...

- "2 way beast"=more giveaways than takeaways... 9.1% start in defensive zone vs 18.1% start in offensive zone... Is physically less mature than the 6'3" 217lbs Knies... Gets top 6 minutes vs Knies' primarily bottom 6 minutes... Doesn't play PK unless there are stats that I'm not seeing (whereas Knies does)

- Pinto wants 2.5 mill... Compare that to 1.4 mill and what RHDs get on the market... e.g. Justin Holl getting 3.4 mill by 3 years... RHD is way more valuable than a C... Ask any RW fans how much for Seider vs Larkin and RW fans will ask more for Seider than Larkin...

- 2 1sts are 2 1sts... Detroit looks like they'll do well so that could only be a major difference of Toronto's 2026 pick vs Ottawa's 2025 pick...

Quoting: Xspyrit

Of course, because you think

- Rielly > Chabot
- Knies >> Greig
- Liljegren > Pinto
- 2 firsts (TOR) = 2 firsts (OTT)

You're an insufferable homer (yet who calls others homers), so of course you think that lol

Actually, before trying to tell me what I think, this is what is true:

Rielly @3.75>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Chabot @6 mill
Knies>Greig
Lilly's value>Pinto's value
TO's firsts<

Quoting: Xspyrit

Damn, really have to explain every little thing

- It's not about 12 PPP in 73 games being a lot or not, it's in relation with the total points lol... 44% of his production on the PP, same with his first 50 pts season, 48% on the PP!

- oh yeah, Leafs became a playoffs team because trading Phaneuf unleashed the great Morgan Rielly and NOT because they added 3 young elite players... lol

- Rielly NEVER had a 0.72 PPG season... I mean you're not even capable of getting facts straight, what are you doing trying to argue with me? lol

- Rielly had 0.36 PPG the first season when the Leafs made the playoffs in 2016-17 You were probably not even old enough to follow so I actually know more about these Leafs teams than you do. Damn, you're funny kid, not every polite but funny

- Dear mother of... more inaccuracies... Chabot played ONE game in 2016-17, the last time the Sens made the playoffs. Yes he played with Duchene and company in 2017-18, but that was his 20 y/o rookie season... That team fell apart and was quickly dismantled by an owner who wanted to pay off his loan debt.

- As for the lottery picks or evenbeing competitive. Considering Sanderson, Stutzle and Greig are just 21 years old... no they weren't supposed to be competitive years ago... but it could have been better IF they weren't stuck with the worst GM/coaching combo in the league

- "lottery" picks : Tkachuk 4th OA, Stutzle 3rd OA, Sanderson 5th OA... Stutzle's pick was obtained by trading a 2 times Norris winner (now 3 times)[/quote]

You're so stupid I'm going to quit responding after this bc you don't get it bc you don't like facts that counter your homera*s beliefs

- Yes it is... You're getting as the number 4/5 minutes with 2nd PP unit, even though you aren't playing a lot, the minutes you get with good chances for will most likely come from that second unit... Being a really good player will also help you convert on those chances on the PP...

- It helped... 🤦‍♂️, playing your good players and getting rid of a guy on a bad contract to allow your younger stars develop into stars, Like Rielly and Nylander and Marner and Matthews... That's what happened

- But wait, your excuse was that Rielly, with a a really team surrounding him, was worse than Chabot on rebuilding team (Weren't the Sens supposed to be done rebuilding 3 years ago?)... which is not true... based on numbers since Chabot entered into the league... You're trying to use stats from 10 years ago to support your case... Let me give you a hint, It's not working...,

- You're right, I was using his PPG since 2017-18, which came to 302/417=.72 PPG. Rielly also had a .87 PPG season and a .82 PPG season, something Chabot hasn't accomplished

- More excuses, hopefully Chabot doesn't say it in a Uber though, great leadership there... And you're just confirming all my math... Thanks for that...

- You sure about that? https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2195628...

-Lottery picks are picks in the range of 1-3... Matthews is the Left lone lottery pick when Rielly was playing for the Leafs and Stuzle is the Sens while Chabot was playing for the Sens... So again, stop it with your hommerism

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