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Next year cup contendies

Créé par: Ihopeigetit
Équipe: 2024-25 Sabres de Buffalo
Date de création initiale: 19 oct. 2023
Publié: 19 oct. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
35 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
21 800 000 $
12 500 000 $
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BUF
  1. Johansen, Ryan
  2. Manson, Josh
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (COL)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (COL)
COL
  1. Jokiharju, Henri [Droits de RFA]
  2. Krebs, Peyton [Droits de RFA]
  3. Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka [Droits de RFA]
Rachats de contrats
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2024
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Logo de COL
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2025
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Logo de BUF
Logo de COL
Logo de BUF
Logo de MIN
Logo de BUF
Logo de BUF
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Logo de NSH
2026
Logo de BUF
Logo de BUF
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2185 000 000 $84 449 403 $0 $2 500 000 $550 597 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
7 142 857 $7 142 857 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 6
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
855 833 $855 833 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
7 100 000 $7 100 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 6
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance650 000 $$650K)
AG
RFA - 2
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
918 333 $918 333 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Golden Knights de Vegas
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 8
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
4 285 714 $4 285 714 $
DG
UFA - 6
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance1 000 000 $$1M)
G
RFA - 1
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
8 350 000 $8 350 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 7
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
G
UFA
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
925 000 $925 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
3 333 333 $3 333 333 $
DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DD
UFA

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19 oct. 2023 à 13 h 55
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Why does COL do that?
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19 oct. 2023 à 14 h 0
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Why does COL do that?


Why would Buffalo make either trade? These are head-scratchers for all involved.
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19 oct. 2023 à 14 h 6
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From a Sabres fan perspective, i hate the AVs trade
Not a fan of either player we are getting
Manson is not what he used to be- getting old fast
And I’ve never liked RyJo- super overrated 🤮🤮🤮

Goaltending on this team is also not “Cup Contender” quality
19 oct. 2023 à 14 h 12
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Also, @ihopeigetit,
you’re way ahead of yourself here
We don’t even know if we are gonna make the playoffs this season
19 oct. 2023 à 14 h 29
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Vegas says no
19 oct. 2023 à 15 h 0
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Kind of confusing as to why either team makes that BUF/COL trade.
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19 oct. 2023 à 15 h 25
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Why does COL do that?


Capspace...
19 oct. 2023 à 15 h 41
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Kind of confusing as to why either team makes that BUF/COL trade.


If Johansen hasn't had a good season and the Avs need capspace this would be a huge win of a trade for Colorado. $8.5m in capspace essentially
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19 oct. 2023 à 16 h 5
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If Johansen hasn't had a good season and the Avs need capspace this would be a huge win of a trade for Colorado. $8.5m in capspace essentially


Yeah I can see that as an 'IF', don't get me wrong. The question is how much of that cap space gets used up on signing the trio they've acquired when the Avs would likely want to move these two guys (next year and the following year, or simply not re-signing RyJo) to make cap space for signing MR, BB, AG & LOC. Also would be a little odd for Buffalo to consider this (and even more odd if RyJo has a bad season). Even if they've made it to the play offs this season if we're talking hypothetically, does that move push them into contenders?
19 oct. 2023 à 16 h 41
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Quoting: Richard88
If Johansen hasn't had a good season and the Avs need capspace this would be a huge win of a trade for Colorado. $8.5m in capspace essentially


Quoting: TJTwolf
Yeah I can see that as an 'IF', don't get me wrong. The question is how much of that cap space gets used up on signing the trio they've acquired when the Avs would likely want to move these two guys (next year and the following year, or simply not re-signing RyJo) to make cap space for signing MR, BB, AG & LOC. Also would be a little odd for Buffalo to consider this (and even more odd if RyJo has a bad season). Even if they've made it to the play offs this season if we're talking hypothetically, does that move push them into contenders?


In theory, I can see why COL considers this, but it only interests them if Ryjo has a bad season, at which point BUF definitely doesn't do the trade.
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19 oct. 2023 à 17 h 41
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In theory, I can see why COL considers this, but it only interests them if Ryjo has a bad season, at which point BUF definitely doesn't do the trade.
Quoting: TJTwolf
Yeah I can see that as an 'IF', don't get me wrong. The question is how much of that cap space gets used up on signing the trio they've acquired when the Avs would likely want to move these two guys (next year and the following year, or simply not re-signing RyJo) to make cap space for signing MR, BB, AG & LOC. Also would be a little odd for Buffalo to consider this (and even more odd if RyJo has a bad season). Even if they've made it to the play offs this season if we're talking hypothetically, does that move push them into contenders?


Why would COL not want young cost-controlled guys for long-term, even if RyJo has a mediocre-good season? Even if Avs win the cup this year, doesn't change that this clears 8.5 shmilli. They could re-sign all 3 for the same cost as Manson. Buff would be interested because 1) Manson won a Stanley cup with E. Johnson so they can provide vet leadership during a run, 2) If RyJo has a bad season it'll be because he isn't meant for the top 6 anymore and is having poor matchups - he would bring vet stability on the 4th pair in Buff and he wins face-offs - which nobody else on Buff can. Would help tremendously to gain possession and preserve the lead late in a game - Buff is notorious for giving up leads.
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19 oct. 2023 à 18 h 2
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Why would COL not want young cost-controlled guys for long-term, even if RyJo has a mediocre-good season? Even if Avs win the cup this year, doesn't change that this clears 8.5 shmilli. They could re-sign all 3 for the same cost as Manson. Buff would be interested because 1) Manson won a Stanley cup with E. Johnson so they can provide vet leadership during a run, 2) If RyJo has a bad season it'll be because he isn't meant for the top 6 anymore and is having poor matchups - he would bring vet stability on the 4th pair in Buff and he wins face-offs - which nobody else on Buff can. Would help tremendously to gain possession and preserve the lead late in a game - Buff is notorious for giving up leads.


The point being for Colorado, if you read the post you quoted, is that some of that cap they acquire is gone on re-signing the trio they acquire. They have to re-sign MR, BB, AG & LOC with that money. So whilst on face value it looks great, if you look at the players they have to re-sign it's not necessarily a smart move. Do you risk losing Rantanen, Byram & Georgiev (and LOC) if you're Colorado? Colorado need to shed cap whilst adding little going forward. Let's just assume that they CAN sign the trio for the same money as Manson. That's just reduced the cap acquired to 4 mil and they have to find a 2C as there isn't a viable option atm internally.
19 oct. 2023 à 19 h 30
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Quoting: TJTwolf
The point being for Colorado, if you read the post you quoted, is that some of that cap they acquire is gone on re-signing the trio they acquire. They have to re-sign MR, BB, AG & LOC with that money. So whilst on face value it looks great, if you look at the players they have to re-sign it's not necessarily a smart move. Do you risk losing Rantanen, Byram & Georgiev (and LOC) if you're Colorado? Colorado need to shed cap whilst adding little going forward. Let's just assume that they CAN sign the trio for the same money as Manson. That's just reduced the cap acquired to 4 mil and they have to find a 2C as there isn't a viable option atm internally.


Peyton Krebs @ 2C for 1.5-2 shmilli per
19 oct. 2023 à 21 h 0
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Peyton Krebs 2C for 1.5-2 shmilli per

What has Krebs done to suggest he is a 2C?
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19 oct. 2023 à 21 h 1
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In theory, I can see why COL considers this, but it only interests them if Ryjo has a bad season, at which point BUF definitely doesn't do the trade.


This right here.
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20 oct. 2023 à 0 h 25
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Peyton Krebs 2C for 1.5-2 shmilli per


When did Krebs suddenly become a 2C and if he's all that then why would you want to move him? Basically with this trade (and assuming a much more generous rise in the cap than you've illustrated here to take the cap up to 88 mil) the Avs would have 7m to sign a 2C, 4LW, 3LD and 3 healthy scratches if we're being generous. The only realistic two FA 2C's available as it stands would be Stephenson and Lindholm. The first you might get for 7 if you're lucky, but then you're still 5 players short, and Lindholm likely costs more. The only way it works is if they BANK on Krebs BECOMING one or Ritchie being able to step into the NHL as an immediate 2C, both pretty much pipe dreams. That way they probably still have enough cap to re-sign MR, BB, AG and LOC.

In addition to that if you're talking PK at 1.5 to 2 mil and then with a small increase or even staying the same for each of the others you're far exceeding Manson's 4.5 mil.
 
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