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2 oct. 2023 à 14 h 12
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Absolutely hilarious that you would trade a 28-goal scorer for a 7th-round pick and then compound it by replacing him with a 16-goal scorer at a higher price ...
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2 oct. 2023 à 14 h 34
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Absolutely hilarious that you would trade a 28-goal scorer for a 7th-round pick and then compound it by replacing him with a 16-goal scorer at a higher price ...


Somehow this makes sense to ppl
Olofsson is just the current whipping boy for the crybaby fans who absolutely NEED someone/something to complain about

Guys that score goals have value
A hell of a lot more value than a 7th round draft pick
Trading him for that is just plain STUPID
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2 oct. 2023 à 15 h 21
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Quoting: worldwidesensei
Absolutely hilarious that you would trade a 28-goal scorer for a 7th-round pick and then compound it by replacing him with a 16-goal scorer at a higher price ...


they wont trade olofsson for a 7th or it wouldve already happened, but they will definitely trade him to add kane.
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2 oct. 2023 à 15 h 22
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Quoting: AntiAnalytics
Somehow this makes sense to ppl
Olofsson is just the current whipping boy for the crybaby fans who absolutely NEED someone/something to complain about

Guys that score goals have value
A hell of a lot more value than a 7th round draft pick
Trading him for that is just plain STUPID


Youre the one talking about not needing a team of all stars, i assume by extension that means wanting a forward group that can defend a little? Olofsson is one of the worst defensive forwards in the league. Getting rid of him makes sense, he's hoffman 2.0 maybe worse. On the other hand, kane might be the only forward worse than him defensively lol. I guess Sabres gonna Sabres.
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2 oct. 2023 à 15 h 25
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Quoting: Stadel
Youre the one talking about not needing a team of all stars, i assume by extension that means wanting a forward group that can defend a little? Olofsson is one of the worst defensive forwards in the league. Getting rid of him makes sense, he's hoffman 2.0 maybe worse. On the other hand, kane might be the only forward worse than him defensively lol. I guess Sabres gonna Sabres.


Getting rid of Olofsson is fine
Dumping him for a 7th is STUPID

Guys that can score have value
If we are getting rid of him, it should be to help improve our team
And to your point, Kane isn’t much different (or even better) at this point
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2 oct. 2023 à 15 h 30
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Getting rid of Olofsson is fine
Dumping him for a 7th is STUPID

Guys that can score have value
If we are getting rid of him, it should be to help improve our team
And to your point, Kane isn’t much different (or even better) at this point


I would think getting rid of him helps the team because it improves the defensive play (idk that the return will ever be higher than a 3rd or something)

Kane is probably worse but the writing is on the wall, he's gunna be a sabre
2 oct. 2023 à 16 h 50
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I would think getting rid of him helps the team because it improves the defensive play (idk that the return will ever be higher than a 3rd or something)

Kane is probably worse but the writing is on the wall, he's gunna be a sabre


1- even if it’s only a 3rd, that’s a hell of a lot better than a 7th ffs

2- how does getting rid of Olofsson help improve the defensive play, if he’s replaced by Kane?
Especially if- in your own words- “Kane is probably worse”
U realize that doesn’t make sense, right??
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2 oct. 2023 à 17 h 18
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Quoting: AntiAnalytics
1- even if it’s only a 3rd, that’s a hell of a lot better than a 7th ffs

2- how does getting rid of Olofsson help improve the defensive play, if he’s replaced by Kane?
Especially if- in your own words- “Kane is probably worse”
U realize that doesn’t make sense, right??


fitz, theyre two separate points.

Getting rid of olofsson does make the team better. Kane makes them worse than when they had olofsson, I agree. They should do the former and ignore the latter. But they wont do that, b/c classic sabres.
2 oct. 2023 à 17 h 23
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Quoting: Stadel
fitz, theyre two separate points.

Getting rid of olofsson does make the team better. Kane makes them worse than when they had olofsson, I agree. They should do the former and ignore the latter. But they wont do that, b/c classic sabres.


Yes, but those “”2 separate points” are conjoined in real life
They aren’t each made in a vacuum

Here’s the thing with Olofsson….
I’m not against getting rid of him, BUT if/when we do:
1- get appropriate value for him, not a 7th- that’s absurd
2- don't replace him with more of the same. Guys like Kane, Zegras, etc just don’t make sense for us. Another guy like Tuch, or a good defensive Center that can win faceoffs & help the PK….
That’s the type of move that would make sense,
AND make the Sabres a better team


Getting rid of Olofsson doesn’t make us better if we replace him with the same type player- that’s just pointless
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2 oct. 2023 à 17 h 58
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Yes, but those “”2 separate points” are conjoined in real life
They aren’t each made in a vacuum

Here’s the thing with Olofsson….
I’m not against getting rid of him, BUT if/when we do:
1- get appropriate value for him, not a 7th- that’s absurd
2- don't replace him with more of the same. Guys like Kane, Zegras, etc just don’t make sense for us. Another guy like Tuch, or a good defensive Center that can win faceoffs & help the PK….
That’s the type of move that would make sense,
AND make the Sabres a better team


Getting rid of Olofsson doesn’t make us better if we replace him with the same type player- that’s just pointless


100 percent, but thats what the sabres are gunna do

Kane is an inevitability
2 oct. 2023 à 18 h 41
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100 percent, but thats what the sabres are gunna do

Kane is an inevitability


Not necessarily
But even if he is, replacing Olofsson with Kane doesn’t really make us much better at all
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2 oct. 2023 à 19 h 3
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Not necessarily
But even if he is, replacing Olofsson with Kane doesn’t really make us much better at all


Again, i agree, but thats what the sabres will do.
2 oct. 2023 à 19 h 5
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Again, i agree, but thats what the sabres will do.


Well if you agree,
then saying “getting rid of Olofsson makes us better” is nonsense
Bc it depends who we replace him with
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2 oct. 2023 à 19 h 16
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Well if you agree,
then saying “getting rid of Olofsson makes us better” is nonsense
Bc it depends who we replace him with


no because the in house replacements are already better on account of not being such black holes defensively.
2 oct. 2023 à 20 h 40
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no because the in house replacements are already better on account of not being such black holes defensively.


So like i said, it DEPENDS WHO WE REPLACE HIM WITH

Why is this so tough for you to admit??
It’s blatantly obvious


Also, it’s not a sure thing that one of the kids we bring up will be better defensively- & probably won’t be better offensively either
2 oct. 2023 à 20 h 47
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So like i said, it DEPENDS WHO WE REPLACE HIM WITH

Why is this so tough for you to admit??
It’s blatantly obvious


Also, it’s not a sure thing that one of the kids we bring up will be better defensively- & probably won’t be better offensively either


Well again, no fitz, because they could replace him with JUST ABOUT ANYONE and get better results. Some exceptions which is why i say just about anyone, one of those being kane.

Its almost certain theyll be better defensively as olofsson is like a bottom 2 percent def forward. The offense yeah tough to predict their immediate ceiling, a lot of permutations on whether they end up being better offensively, and thats even before factoring in their age.

But all the persumed call ups have enough upside that, after factoring in them not being olofsson defensively, likely means theyll be better value overall. Also worth mentioning that theyll get better with each game, wereas olofsson is what he is.
2 oct. 2023 à 21 h 48
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Well again, no fitz, because they could replace him with JUST ABOUT ANYONE and get better results. Some exceptions which is why i say just about anyone, one of those being kane.

Its almost certain theyll be better defensively as olofsson is like a bottom 2 percent def forward. The offense yeah tough to predict their immediate ceiling, a lot of permutations on whether they end up being better offensively, and thats even before factoring in their age.

But all the persumed call ups have enough upside that, after factoring in them not being olofsson defensively, likely means theyll be better value overall. Also worth mentioning that theyll get better with each game, wereas olofsson is what he is.


Literally NONE of what you said is true
Rookies don’t develop on a liner scale necessarily
It’s not even likely that any of the callups are good at defense,
and even being average is no sure thing
None of them are likely to score 28goals as a rookie though

Getting rid of Olofsson isn’t a net gain necessarily
It 100% depends on who he’s replaced with

Your opinion has moved into the total nonsense category,
as u won’t even recognize the most obvious & clearly just wanna argue
Sorry, but i have a life. So you’re just going back to the ignore list. Have a good night, peace out
2 oct. 2023 à 21 h 50
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Literally NONE of what you said is true
Rookies don’t develop on a liner scale necessarily
It’s not even likely that any of the callups are good at defense,
and even being average is no sure thing
None of them are likely to score 28goals as a rookie though

Getting rid of Olofsson isn’t a net gain necessarily
It 100% depends on who he’s replaced with

Your opinion has moved into the total nonsense category,
as u won’t even recognize the most obvious & clearly just wanna argue
Sorry, but i have a life. So you’re just going back to the ignore list. Have a good night, peace out


According to you** .

Sorry fitz, but at what point after several bans from different sites do you acknowledge responsibility for your actions? Calling differing opinions nonsense is rude. You may want to reflect on that to avoid being kicked off here too some day soon.
3 oct. 2023 à 10 h 0
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Somehow this makes sense to ppl
Olofsson is just the current whipping boy for the crybaby fans who absolutely NEED someone/something to complain about

Guys that score goals have value
A hell of a lot more value than a 7th round draft pick
Trading him for that is just plain STUPID


"Cry baby fans" hahahahah tell me you know nothing about hockey without telling me. Youre the guy thats never played a day of hockey but you see someone score goals and think he is mcdavid. Again i understand you know nothing about hockey, but for those who know the game and watch the game understand vic is a very bad player. idc what the trade is, he is a waste of space. Goals doesnt mean useful hockey player
3 oct. 2023 à 12 h 45
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"Cry baby fans" hahahahah tell me you know nothing about hockey without telling me. Youre the guy thats never played a day of hockey but you see someone score goals and think he is mcdavid. Again i understand you know nothing about hockey, but for those who know the game and watch the game understand vic is a very bad player. idc what the trade is, he is a waste of space. Goals doesnt mean useful hockey player


Lol
Trading someone for a 7th when u can get more for him is just plain STUPID

Maybe you’d be better off as a Leafs fan??
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Lol
Trading someone for a 7th when u can get more for him is just plain STUPID
Maybe you’d be better off as a Leafs fan??
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"Cry baby fans" hahahahah tell me you know nothing about hockey without telling me. Youre the guy thats never played a day of hockey but you see someone score goals and think he is mcdavid. Again i understand you know nothing about hockey, but for those who know the game and watch the game understand vic is a very bad player. idc what the trade is, he is a waste of space. Goals doesnt mean useful hockey player
Please enlighten us, how many professional hockey games have you played?
What position did you play.

Please forgive me as I copy my most recent Olofsson comparison:

"Olofsson is bashed by nearly everyone on this site, including Sabre fans" and you are by far the most egregeous trying to justify he is only worth a seventh.
"He is included in trades not because he is a dump or bad but because Buffalo has Kulich, Savoie, Benson, Ostlund etc who will earn 1/5 of his currently salary next year.

I have absolutely no idea what Olofsson will bring if the Sabres decide to trade him.
Some team looking for goals at the TDL will give the Sabres at least a second if not more, providing he is producing as well as he did last year.

You do know over the last four seasons Boeser has played 583:45 more minutes than Olofsson but has one less goal (80 v Olofsson's 81).
Two seasons since they both signed new contracts each Boeser goal cost $309,302 while each Olofsson goal cost $197,917.
Last season Brock played over 60% of the time with one of Miller, Horvat or Petterson as his line mate.
Conversly, last season Victor played only 10% of the time with our top two centers Cozens or Thompson.
Most NHL fans would think Brock is worth a first or more.

Last season Olofsson had more goals than DeBrincat yet Victor played 483 fewer minutes.
Neither of Victor nor Alex are noted for their defense, but Alex certainly returned a bundle.

Of his 28 goals, 21 were EV, 7 were PP, 5 were GW, 3 were empty net.
In contrast:
Ovechkin had 42 goals, 28 EV, 14 PP, 3 GW, and 6 empty net.
Boeser had 18 goals, 12 EV, 6 PP, 3 GW, and 1 empty net.
Debrincat had 27 goals, 18 EV, 11 PP, 6 GW and 1 empty net.
A lower percentage PP of the other three as no one calls any of them PP specialists.
Only 37 forwards (two other Sabres Tuch and Thompson) had more GW goals than he, which appears to be a very good thing.
If a player is on the ice when there is an empty net is that a good thing? Does the coach value his capabilities to prevent a goal as well as score one?


Finally, only 22 NHL forwards scored at a faster rate than Victor's 1.6 goals/60 last year.
This is not to say Victor is better or even as good as Alex, just making the point that he is a very good sniper, and it is unlikely Buffalo would just give him away.
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
Please enlighten us, how many professional hockey games have you played?
What position did you play.

Please forgive me as I copy my most recent Olofsson comparison:

"Olofsson is bashed by nearly everyone on this site, including Sabre fans" and you are by far the most egregeous trying to justify he is only worth a seventh.
"He is included in trades not because he is a dump or bad but because Buffalo has Kulich, Savoie, Benson, Ostlund etc who will earn 1/5 of his currently salary next year.

I have absolutely no idea what Olofsson will bring if the Sabres decide to trade him.
Some team looking for goals at the TDL will give the Sabres at least a second if not more, providing he is producing as well as he did last year.

You do know over the last four seasons Boeser has played 583:45 more minutes than Olofsson but has one less goal (80 v Olofsson's 81).
Two seasons since they both signed new contracts each Boeser goal cost $309,302 while each Olofsson goal cost $197,917.
Last season Brock played over 60% of the time with one of Miller, Horvat or Petterson as his line mate.
Conversly, last season Victor played only 10% of the time with our top two centers Cozens or Thompson.
Most NHL fans would think Brock is worth a first or more.

Last season Olofsson had more goals than DeBrincat yet Victor played 483 fewer minutes.
Neither of Victor nor Alex are noted for their defense, but Alex certainly returned a bundle.

Finally, only 22 NHL forwards scored at a faster rate than Victor's 1.6 goals/60 last year.
This is not to say Victor is better or even as good as Alex, just making the point that he is a very good sniper, and it is unlikely Buffalo would just give him away.


It blows my mind when Sabres fans (especially) are like,
“But he doesn’t play defense”
That’s true, but guys who score goals still have value
& they shouldn’t just be dumped for a 7th
or a 4th, etc etc

Let Quinn get healthy & lets wait & see what we get for him
In the meantime, shelter him with Ozone starts as much as possible & let him rack up the goals


These Biro in the lineup for Olofsson posts are getting absurd really quickly though ffs
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
Please enlighten us, how many professional hockey games have you played?
What position did you play.

Please forgive me as I copy my most recent Olofsson comparison:

"Olofsson is bashed by nearly everyone on this site, including Sabre fans" and you are by far the most egregeous trying to justify he is only worth a seventh.
"He is included in trades not because he is a dump or bad but because Buffalo has Kulich, Savoie, Benson, Ostlund etc who will earn 1/5 of his currently salary next year.

I have absolutely no idea what Olofsson will bring if the Sabres decide to trade him.
Some team looking for goals at the TDL will give the Sabres at least a second if not more, providing he is producing as well as he did last year.

You do know over the last four seasons Boeser has played 583:45 more minutes than Olofsson but has one less goal (80 v Olofsson's 81).
Two seasons since they both signed new contracts each Boeser goal cost $309,302 while each Olofsson goal cost $197,917.
Last season Brock played over 60% of the time with one of Miller, Horvat or Petterson as his line mate.
Conversly, last season Victor played only 10% of the time with our top two centers Cozens or Thompson.
Most NHL fans would think Brock is worth a first or more.

Last season Olofsson had more goals than DeBrincat yet Victor played 483 fewer minutes.
Neither of Victor nor Alex are noted for their defense, but Alex certainly returned a bundle.

Finally, only 22 NHL forwards scored at a faster rate than Victor's 1.6 goals/60 last year.
This is not to say Victor is better or even as good as Alex, just making the point that he is a very good sniper, and it is unlikely Buffalo would just give him away.


Good post
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
Please enlighten us, how many professional hockey games have you played?
What position did you play.

Please forgive me as I copy my most recent Olofsson comparison:

"Olofsson is bashed by nearly everyone on this site, including Sabre fans" and you are by far the most egregeous trying to justify he is only worth a seventh.
"He is included in trades not because he is a dump or bad but because Buffalo has Kulich, Savoie, Benson, Ostlund etc who will earn 1/5 of his currently salary next year.

I have absolutely no idea what Olofsson will bring if the Sabres decide to trade him.
Some team looking for goals at the TDL will give the Sabres at least a second if not more, providing he is producing as well as he did last year.

You do know over the last four seasons Boeser has played 583:45 more minutes than Olofsson but has one less goal (80 v Olofsson's 81).
Two seasons since they both signed new contracts each Boeser goal cost $309,302 while each Olofsson goal cost $197,917.
Last season Brock played over 60% of the time with one of Miller, Horvat or Petterson as his line mate.
Conversly, last season Victor played only 10% of the time with our top two centers Cozens or Thompson.
Most NHL fans would think Brock is worth a first or more.

Last season Olofsson had more goals than DeBrincat yet Victor played 483 fewer minutes.
Neither of Victor nor Alex are noted for their defense, but Alex certainly returned a bundle.

Finally, only 22 NHL forwards scored at a faster rate than Victor's 1.6 goals/60 last year.
This is not to say Victor is better or even as good as Alex, just making the point that he is a very good sniper, and it is unlikely Buffalo would just give him away.


Oh wow, he scored some empty net goals! you guys are clueless. Stick to eating mcdonalds on the couch and living in your moms basement
 
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