I'm good with that roster, would be sweet to get a 2nd for Kubalik but I doubt it.

I think you're right about Joseph also.

Kubalik just makes to much sense to move. Teams will get a look at their players during camp and will decide if young guys are ready or not, leading to a trade. Think a low 3rd/4th would be the value really

That's a good point I hadn't considered. Doesn't bode well for getting Pinto in at the start of camp though.

I think a mid-to high third is more than fair for a 20-goal middle-six guy but i guess I'd be ok with a fourth. Not a ton of leverage given everyone knows we need Pinto signed.

I think that is a bad idea for OTT to give up on a strong 45 point player who had 20 goals like Kubalik who has a physical edge. Take anything they get for Mathieu and just hope he does not bite you in arse. If you want to win you take reliable not a big maybe.

Ur not taking anything you can get with Joseph tho lol they wouldn’t get anything and clearly the price is too high to dump him or they would have just done it already. I guarantee you teams are asking for 1 of the 2024 1sts to take on his contract and I don’t blame those teams for doing so

Dude a 1st round pick to take 2.95M for a player who is young and serviceable? It just cost a 3rd round pick for Pearson who has a higher cap hit under similar cap circumstances. FC for guys like Yamamoto, RyJo, Kevin Hayes. Pinto can't be oversheeted so at the end of the day its only him and Ottawa.

He’s 26 and can’t score 20 points on a 3rd line. Where is he young or serviceable? Oh it’s $3M for 3 years lol the AAV isn’t a big deal but the term is. It cost a 3rd and taking on $1.8M in cap just to move Pearson who is literally a better player when healthy and he only makes $3M for 1 year lol. Joseph is owed triple that and is literally a worse player I would love to know why you think it won’t cost at minimum a 2nd round pick realistically a 1st to move him. He’s literally a 4th liner making $3M for 3 years lol Wade Allison can play his role for a 4th of the cap hit and probably get more points and he’s only on a 1 year deal

The point is there is the circumstances around OTT's cap sheet doesn't generate a market that costs a 1st round pick to move out 3M of cap for 3 years. Jospeh is one of the better penalty killers out there, both on his team and in the league. He is still serviceable, even if he is slightly overpaid. There is no looming threat of an oversheet and OTT isn't in dire need of a top-6 contributor for them to become desperate to move out cash. You're overestimating how much it costs to ship out cap, at least from previous market conditions.

Josh Bailey at $5M was moved for a 2nd, Pearson at $3M was moved for a 3rd plus taking back $1.8M in cap. Joseph is still owed $9M and is worse than both of them lmao. If I was overrating how much I would cost to move him and it only took like a 4th or 5th he would have been easily moved already. They are literally going to force their 3C to sit out of training camp because they can’t move anyone to get him to sign and Joseph is the most obvious choice to dump and they can’t move him. That should be telling in itself

Its different market conditions though. The cap increase decreases the burden of taking the 3M owed in a year and two years from now. Compared to Bailey, that impact is immediately felt and he is no longer serviceable (still unsigned). Joseph probably a top-20/30 PK skater last year. Just because they haven't moved him yet is not indicative of that they can't. The only changing condition that could impact the cost is that its right before camp versus the beginning of the offseason. But the idea that its going to cost a mid range pick for him doesn't line up imo

We will agree to disagree then I expect him to be moved for a 2nd at absolute minimum if they do end up choosing to move him

Pearson who is 31 and not good just got traded for a useful goalie and you think they would have to pay to trade Mathieu lol. I would put money your GM would offer at least a 4th for him.

Kubalik had 17 of his 45 pts on the PP last season, means 28 ES pts in 81 games

Joseph in comparison had 30 pts at ES and PK in just 69 games in 2021-22

There is no spot for Kubalik on the PP in Ottawa, there's at least 10 guys you need to prioritize for PP minutes

Joseph is better defensively by a significant margin and has had elite PK metrics all his career


Man this poster is really something else. He comes to every Sens ACGM to repeat his crap. He's the one who made me dig on Joseph vs Laughton, and the more I dug, the more I realized than I would rather have Joseph.

Yet, he thinks it costs a 1st to dump Joseph and that Laughton returns 1st + 2nd.

Don't listen to that delusional poster, not much of what he says is factual.


Yet, career PPGs :

Scott Laughton : 0.38 (last 2 seasons, top-6 minutes with PP time)

Mathieu Joseph : 0.35 (mostly 4th line minutes all his career since he was on the top contender)