I think Detroit declines

If Detroit trades Boston's 2024 1st then Ottawa gets Detroit's 2024 1st. Since it's unlikely that Detroit makes the playoffs season that 1st will be a lottery pick.

I seriously doubt Detroit trades Walman, he and Seider have great chemistry.

With Edvinsson, Wallinder and a few other good LHD prospects and Detroit not being a playoff team it would be premature to give up a bunch of assets Hanifin.

In a couple of years Mazur could easily be where Dube is now.

That's an excellent point.



Anything is possible but some are more likely than others. In any case Calgary doesn't want to trade Dube this probably wouldn't be enough to change their minds.

Hanifin >> Maatta
Dube >> everything else in this offer

You have to keep in mind Dube is still young, has some grit/snarl to his game and still shows flashes of high potential. He isn't overpaid either so there's no reason to sell low as long as he still has untapped potential. Really he just needs to show it more consistently to earn a full time spot in the top 6.

IMO Dube is suffering from the same problem Sam Bennett had in Calgary. He's not being utilized correctly. Like Bennett he's best at center or LW but they keep trying to turn him into a RW. Then when he isn't great at RW he gets demoted to a bottom 6 grinder role because he's a little bigger, grittier, more versatile than the other younger players. Benny goes to Florida they make him their 2nd line center with better wingers and he's just fine.

Of course that's the previous GM's fault for insisting on drafting "the best player available" which in his misguided opinion was always a gamble on a small player coming off a good year for points in junior.... Regardless of intangibles or team needs. The end result after 9 years of Blundering Brad running the draft for the Flames is they have too many small left shot forwards/top prospects and not enough right shots or big gritty players/prospects. Brad doesn't deserve any credit for drafting Bennett or Tkachuk either since both those picks were made when while Brian Burke was his boss and there's no way Burke would have let him pass on those two. Judging by this year's draft Conroy intends to change that quick.

I think both Hanifin and Dube are very good players but there is no reason to give up a bunch of assets to get them.

Yes Dube is 25 still young but Mazur is only 21. In his 2 seasons at University of Denver averaged 37.5 points a season and won a National Championship. In his first 6 AHL games he has 3 goals and 3 assists and he is also a very physical player. So him having a 45 point season with in the next 5 seasons is quite probable actually. Dube put up 45 points in 82 games playing about 15 min a game. Now Sprong put up 46 points in 66 games playing about 11.5 minutes a game and Sprong is only a year older. I'm sorry but I wouldn't give up Wallinder, Mazur or the 1st straight up for Dube. At least not right now maybe that will change at the TDL but thats pretty far out.

I'll simply say, I've heard recently Yzerman will continue to be patient and not get caught up in the "we're close so we have to sell the farm to get there" mentality. So many good players yet to arrive in Edvinsson, Johansson, Kasper, Danielson, Wallinder, the newer guy Pekka-Sandin?, I read Mazur is a "keeper" .. no need to disrupt the long term plan... keep the cupboards stocked as you succeed. It takes longer, but the example Holland set in Detroit is there, plus the example the Lightning have set as an organization the last decade or so (catching up to them a bit now..) Stevie seems really committed to the long-term.

You're entirely correct. Trades like the one proposed here goes diametrically opposite the way that Yzerman is doing things. Building through the draft is the only way to build a dynasty in a salary capped league, the way Holland did it pre-cap is no longer an option. That means that you hang on to your prospects and picks until such a time as to what you receive for them in a trade is the last little piece you need in order to win the cup. No more Järnkrok and a 2nd for Legwand for this team...

It's still only four years since Yzerman took over the Helm and we have only seen two of his draft picks turn into regular players as of now. There are a whole slew of them wainting in the wings that are getting real close, Mazur, Kasper, Söderblom, Edvinsson, and Johansson could be on the roster already when we approach the trade deadline this season. There are good things waiting in the wings the next couple of years but as of now we should be aware that, with only two of his picks on the roster, it's way too early to start trading away any assets. When our roster consists of at least 50% own products and with at least as many in the system that is the time when you have enough that you can consider using them as trade capital.

By all means be opportunistic, trades like the DeBrincat and the Petry ones are good for us considering what we got and what we gave up and don't say no when something falls in our lap but selling the farm for a superstar that will do nothing other than getting us into the first round for a year of two before he goes UFA is not a recipe for long term success. We should expect to see the current behaviour of signing veteran stop-gap players and trading them for picks at the deadline continue for another three or four years yet.

I may disagree with the idea that the practice of trading vets for picks will continue for another 3-4 years, I'd say another two years? .. by the time the contracts of players like Compher and Copp are expiring or close to expiring is when the youngsters like Raymond and Berggren are clearly established and the likes of Mazur, Kasper and Danielson developing well (this is in 4-5 years) ..

Looking at the Wings in 5 years, there will be Larkin at 32 years of age, Raymond at 26, Kasper and Danielson at 24, Berggren at 28, Soderblom 27, Seider and Johansson 27, Edvinson 25, Wallinder 26, Cossa 26 ... those will be the days where they start buying veteran back-up for their core stars! At a reasonable rate, of course... guys like Compher and Copp at the age of 33 could be worth two year re-sign deals at lower cap hits if they're still any good, or they could go for other guys who have hit the market by then to bolster their younger core.

Edit: depends on who the vets are and if they contribute much to what the team needs at the time. If it is go-time, and a vet can still give them something, then keep him, but if it's a guy who doesn't bring as much as someone else could, and he could fetch a pick, sure, or, if it's still too early for go-time, and the vet can bring something that will be better when it IS go-time, then yes, sure.

Detroit would probably consider this only if Hanifin came with a reasonable extension. I believe it would make them better now, but it seems like a lot of futures to give up. It depends how desperate they are to get into the playoffs.

I think Calgary is hoping for a bounceback season and getting back into the playoffs as a way of convincing their remaining pending UFAs to stay. This trade would not help with that. If they decided to go with more of a sell-off strategy instead, it might make sense, though Dube is a guy they'd probably want to keep in that case.