And you think that makes the Sens better?

Devils decline. There's no room for Kubalik

Sometimes, you have to make the team a bit worse to get under the cap.

They don’t need to move 2 players

I'd rather try and dump Joseph's contract, keep those 2 and utilize some of our players in the minors (ex. Smejkal)

They don't need to pay a high pick to move Joseph either.

Dumping Joseph will cost you a high pick, according to most people on this site.

Yes, there is.

Devils have 1.9 million in cap space.

The difference between Lazar's and Kubalik's cap hit is 1.5 million.

1.9 million - 1.5 million = 400K in cap space left over.

The truth will set you free.

The 2 first rounders soften the blow of the inevitable second rounder it will cost. But yes, you are correct.

I'd like to see Kubalik for a season.

I'm still more than fine with your roster.

I meant roster space. There's no need to have a 2.5m fourth liner when Foote, McLeod, Bastian, and Nosek are all perfectly fine. Maybe if we trade Holtz for a goalie we do this for our third line, but that's super unlikely.

1. Because you're giving up Lazar, the roster space for the Devils stays the same.

It's 1 player in, 1 player out.



2. This past season, Kubalik played on the top line with Larkin and Perron.

He's also a 20+ goal scorer.

2.5m fourth liner myass lol.



3. At this point, you're probably trolling.

The truth will set you free.

Meier Hischier Mercer
Bratt Hughes Holtz
Palat Haula Toffoli

He would be a fourth liner or an extra forward. We don't need one that costs 2.5m

Holtz isn't cut out to be a Top 6 forward.

That's who Kubalik replaces.

The front office thinks Holtz will be a "pillar piece." Devils decline.

If the sens are going to trade away brannstrom to clear cap, I'd rather they just use that space for pinto and keep kubalik. We need firepower on the third line

Unless you're prepared to go with a 20 man roster, moving Brannstrom does not leave enough space for Pinto.

I think the senators could get pinto on a 1-2 year under 2 million, given that the cap is jumping up a lot next year and the year after.

That would be a bargain.

Have to get cap compliant. Need to remember that Pierre Dorion is the GM and he does that to himself (all the time)


Why?

Just trade Kubalik, heck you could even retain a bit to raise his value

Believe me, Sens will be a better team at ES with Joseph than Kubalik. What was the problem last season? 25th in GF% at ES

Plus, role players (PK expert, great speed, good forecheck, great ES defense) are useful so Joseph will be needed beyond this year.

Kubalik is also a role player (but more PP), which is NOT a need at all.

Forget about the NOISE this site has created. Be smarter than the collective hive mind of CF lol


If Kubalik doesn't get some good PP time (which he shouldn't unless we're decimated by injuries), he will score 30-ish points and will leave you quite disappointed. Then will walk for nothing as we'll need to use the cap space to properly replace Tarasenko (ideally a 2-way upgrade)


Kubalik scored 28 ES pts last season in 82 games (mainly played with Larkin, Perron, Copp, Raymond, etc at ES)

Mathieu Joseph scored 30 pts at ES + PK in 69 games in 2021-22

Kubalik is not what the Sens need

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Tarasenko
Joseph - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Giroux (PP1 for G)

I tend to agree, but we're absolutely not retaining any salary for Kubalik, as we need at least 2.5 to get Pinto done and 850ish for Sokolov.

I'll respectfully point out that although you have some good takes, you don't have all the answers so don't assume anything that isn't your opinion is a collective hive mind and not smart.

For Kubalik, we shouldn't have to but I wanted to point out that we COULD if we had to

Sokolov is not guarantied a roster spot yet, we might just lose him on waivers, both him and Thomson

If he makes the team, it's most likely Parker Kelly who will be sent down so no effect on the cap or very minimal (maybe 100 K$ more for Sokolov?)

Pinto should not get more than 1.5 AAV on a 1 year deal. Look at all the other comparables (I just quoted you in another thread on that subject)

If Dorion can't convince Pinto for that, it means that one of the two is really missing the boat. Why? Because Pinto could sign his next contract as soon as January, in 3.5 months...

If Pinto's agent knows what he is doing, Pinto could make more as soon as next season vs if they sign now 2.5 x 2 years. Let's say he signs 4.5 AAV long term (ala Colin White)

2.5 x 2 = 5.0

1.5 + 4.5 = 6.0

I mean, it works well for both sides.


Of course I don't have all the answers, I actually only have FACTS I can rely on. What I meant was more about the "crowd effect", something I have witnessed a lot in my life. Take the riots in Montreal after a Habs series win against Boston for example. The ripple effect made them become dumber

Some of the things you see on CF ends up a bit the same way, starts as a little random idea, then something comes up in an article, then another idea is born and then it becomes more and more, never stops until it becomes ridiculous.

That's why you have some posters asking for a 1st OR two 2nds OR a 2nd + Greig to take on Joseph 9.3 M$ CAP DUMP lol

At the same time, they will ask a 1st + 2nd to trade you Scott freaking Laughton

At my age, I am not scared to say anything (well, never did) and I can say with confidence that this above is very dumb.

.... I have no idea where you are going with the Montreal crowd effect point. That doesn't really make any sense.

I didn't make any of those trade requests...

Our debate here is:

1. Does Ottawa move Kubalik or Joseph, your point is very valid and I would love to have both (dead cap doesn't allow this obvs.) I think Kubalik is worth having this season.

2. Does Pinto sign under 2 million, I doubt it, but hope so.

I don't know how to explain, thought it was clear. It's the ripple effect you see in riots, people start acting dumber when they are in such context. The parallel here is that an idea is born and the ripple effect brings it to very unrealistic heights where they ask Greig + 2nd to take on Joseph

Hope it's more clear (and of course I know you didn't make those requests, never said you did)



1. Of course it'd be nice to have both which would make our forward depth very interesting but the 5 M$ in dead cap doesn't allow it. Then, I would prioritize the guy better at ES and PK vs the guy better on the PP but who wouldn't get that much PP

2. Well, I compared with all these contracts (bridges for forwards coming out of their ELCs) :

Noah Cates
Ty Dellandrea
Rafaël Harvey-Pinard
Morgan Frost
Cody Glass
Nils Höglander
Joseph Veleno
Ryan McLeod
Jack McBain
Oliver Wahlstrom

I can't see Pinto getting 2.0 AAV with what other young forwards have signed for. Look at Frost for example, older than Pinto, better defensively and had 46 pts last season. Just signed 2.1 x 2 years