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Backlund to Buffalo

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Équipe: 2023-24 Sabres de Buffalo
Date de création initiale: 25 août 2023
Publié: 25 août 2023
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25 août 2023 à 14 h 27
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Krebs, for me, is the most expendable player of all the youngins either on the roster or in the system.

I guess it goes back to projections for him. I look at him as a bottom-six player right now and I'm not sure he'll end up higher than a 3C.
25 août 2023 à 14 h 29
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Kind of
I want us to keep building so we can WIN THE CUP
And overpaying for a rental doesn’t really help the “winning the Cup” goal

I like Backlund, i think he would help
BUT i absolutely would not overpay for him either


Who's to say that Backlund wouldn't be re-signed by Buffalo?
25 août 2023 à 14 h 33
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Victor Olofsson and his $4.75 M are headed the Flames way.


That's what I'm saying - it doesn't make sense for the Flames. Backlund is $5.3M AAV; Olofsson + Krebs are $5.61M. Calgary's already basically at the cap if Kylington is back and playing; I would think a Backlund trade would be more about clearing cap than anything else.
25 août 2023 à 14 h 41
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Who's to say that Backlund wouldn't be re-signed by Buffalo?


Who’s to say we would?
Works both ways

It’s more likely we don’t, than we do, imo
Also, by the “re-signing him logic” we could just wait & sign him as a UFA instead of overpaying for him
25 août 2023 à 14 h 42
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Don't think Adams would overpay either, think most here have said Krebs shouldn't be involved. Don't think Olofsson and a 2nd and a B prospect is to much though. Sabres aren't gonna be able to fit all there prospects as is.


Well here’s a shocker, we disagree
25 août 2023 à 14 h 43
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That's what I'm saying - it doesn't make sense for the Flames. Backlund is $5.3M AAV; Olofsson + Krebs are $5.61M. Calgary's already basically at the cap if Kylington is back and playing; I would think a Backlund trade would be more about clearing cap than anything else.


If moving him is perceived as a cap dump, then the return is far less. Krebs mitigates the money-in/money-out aspect of this trade.
25 août 2023 à 14 h 46
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Who’s to say we would?
Works both ways

It’s more likely we don’t, than we do, imo
Also, by the “re-signing him logic” we could just wait & sign him as a UFA instead of overpaying for him


But that doesn't help with a playoff push this season.

Backlund helps mitigate the tenuous goaltending situation they find themselves in this season.
25 août 2023 à 14 h 50
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But that doesn't help with a playoff push this season.

Backlund helps mitigate the tenuous goaltending situation they find themselves in this season.


So does just getting a goalie

Also, there’s cheaper options for defensive center help

And MOST IMPORTANTLY,
even if Backlund is a “must have” we don’t have to overpay for him like u are here


Also, you’re making too much out of a “playoff push this season” imo
25 août 2023 à 14 h 54
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So does just getting a goalie

Also, there’s cheaper options for defensive center help

And MOST IMPORTANTLY,
even if Backlund is a “must have” we don’t have to overpay for him like u are here


We know Adams isn't getting a goalie. It's all about Levi.

Krebs is a cheaper option, but far less competent in that role, so bringing in lesser quality makes no sense.
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25 août 2023 à 14 h 55
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Well here’s a shocker, we disagree


Pretty much
25 août 2023 à 14 h 58
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Quoting: Boos
We know Adams isn't getting a goalie. It's all about Levi.

Krebs is a cheaper option, but far less competent in that role, so bringing in lesser quality makes no sense.


Sturm, Henrique & Dvorak could all be examples of guys that could help us but not cost a ton

And AGAIN,
I like Backstrom. Just think you are overpaying for him- and it seems like everyone else thinks u are too
25 août 2023 à 15 h 0
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Sturm, Henrique & Dvorak could all be examples of guys that could help us but not cost a ton

And AGAIN,
I like Backstrom. Just think you are overpaying for him- and it seems like everyone else thinks u are too


That's fine. It's an overpay. I'll resign from my GM position in Buffalo immediately.

But let me ask you this, what do the Sabres lose if Krebs is traded?
25 août 2023 à 15 h 3
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If moving him is perceived as a cap dump, then the return is far less. Krebs mitigates the money-in/money-out aspect of this trade.


I think we're talking past each other here - I'm not saying Backlund is a cap dump, specifically; he's still a good player with some value. I just am saying that if Calgary is at the cap, I can't see them taking back Olofsson's $4.75M AAV in a Backlund deal. I think you can make a deal centered around Krebs for Backlund if Buffalo values Backlund as a defensive 3C/PK1 forward, sure, but I don't see any reason for Olofsson to be part of the deal. His cap hit just puts Calgary back in the position of needing to clear some money before Opening Night.
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25 août 2023 à 15 h 5
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I think we're talking past each other here - I'm not saying Backlund is a cap dump, specifically; he's still a good player with some value. I just am saying that if Calgary is at the cap, I can't see them taking back Olofsson's $4.75M AAV in a Backlund deal. I think you can make a deal centered around Krebs for Backlund if Buffalo values Backlund as a defensive 3C/PK1 forward, sure, but I don't see any reason for Olofsson to be part of the deal. His cap hit just puts Calgary back in the position of needing to clear some money before Opening Night.


What is Calgary's plan? Seems like they're headed towards a rebuild.
25 août 2023 à 15 h 11
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What is Calgary's plan? Seems like they're headed towards a rebuild.


I don't even think Calgary knows what Calgary's plan is at this point. But I think that if they *are* heading towards a rebuild/retool, they're gonna move their expensive pending UFAs for futures and try to clear out as much cap as possible. Olofsson doesn't make sense from that point of view, unless they have a 3rd team that they're going to shuffle him off to.
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25 août 2023 à 16 h 4
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That's fine. It's an overpay. I'll resign from my GM position in Buffalo immediately.

But let me ask you this, what do the Sabres lose if Krebs is traded?


Comparing him to your replacement for him,
about 12years- Krebs is only 22


Krebs was a “must have” in the Eichel trade, u know this
Very unlikely he’s getting moved
Near impossible he gets moved for an old rental

Just bc you wanna give up on him,
doesn’t mean Adams does
25 août 2023 à 17 h 39
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Comparing him to your replacement for him,
about 12years- Krebs is only 22


Krebs was a “must have” in the Eichel trade, u know this
Very unlikely he’s getting moved
Near impossible he gets moved for an old rental

Just bc you wanna give up on him,
doesn’t mean Adams does


You danced around the question. What do the Sabres lose in trading Krebs?

If you can't answer it, I fully understand.
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25 août 2023 à 22 h 42
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You danced around the question. What do the Sabres lose in trading Krebs?

If you can't answer it, I fully understand.


A talented 22 year old 2way forward
Why do u need me to state the obvious??

I really don’t know what you’re trying to get at here,
unless you’re just saying u don’t like Krebs??

But I’ll take the next 13 years of Krebs over ONE YEAR of Backlund- and i don’t think that’s remotely close
26 août 2023 à 7 h 57
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A talented 22 year old 2way forward
Why do u need me to state the obvious??

I really don’t know what you’re trying to get at here,
unless you’re just saying u don’t like Krebs??

But I’ll take the next 13 years of Krebs over ONE YEAR of Backlund- and i don’t think that’s remotely close


Sabres players 22 years and younger who are unmistakably more talented and/or rated higher than Krebs:

Centers: Cozens, Kulich, Benson, Savoie
Wingers: Quinn, Peterka

Players on the roster locked into the top-nine for at least the next three seasons:

Center: Tage
Wingers: Skinner, Tuch

With Mitts likely to be extended.

That's 10 players, not including prospects Ostlund and Rosen, vying for only nine spots up-top amongst the forward group.

Krebs has displayed bottom-six credentials right now and it also looks as if any effectiveness he has displayed has been limited to the pivot. He's unlikely to surpass anyone in a more talented group that is or will soon be gobbling up spots in front of him and therefore, Krebs = expendable
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26 août 2023 à 13 h 29
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Sabres players 22 years and younger who are unmistakably more talented and/or rated higher than Krebs:

Centers: Cozens, Kulich, Benson, Savoie
Wingers: Quinn, Peterka

Players on the roster locked into the top-nine for at least the next three seasons:

Center: Tage
Wingers: Skinner, Tuch

With Mitts likely to be extended.

That's 10 players, not including prospects Ostlund and Rosen, vying for only nine spots up-top amongst the forward group.

Krebs has displayed bottom-six credentials right now and it also looks as if any effectiveness he has displayed has been limited to the pivot. He's unlikely to surpass anyone in a more talented group that is or will soon be gobbling up spots in front of him and therefore, Krebs = expendable


He’s our best 2way Center- BY FAR
So u trade him for Backlund for 1 year- no guarantee he signs again, or that we’d even wanna sign him again- and then we’re back to having ZERO centers that can take in defensive responsibility
And that’s an important role

I get what you’re saying, but i disagree
And more importantly, Adams seems to disagree with you as well
26 août 2023 à 14 h 43
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I think we're talking past each other here - I'm not saying Backlund is a cap dump, specifically; he's still a good player with some value. I just am saying that if Calgary is at the cap, I can't see them taking back Olofsson's $4.75M AAV in a Backlund deal. I think you can make a deal centered around Krebs for Backlund if Buffalo values Backlund as a defensive 3C/PK1 forward, sure, but I don't see any reason for Olofsson to be part of the deal. His cap hit just puts Calgary back in the position of needing to clear some money before Opening Night.


This whole trade is pretty unrealistic,
he just doesn’t wanna hear it
26 août 2023 à 17 h 40
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Quoting: AntiAnalytics
This whole trade is pretty unrealistic,
he just doesn’t wanna hear it


Backlund could very well be the difference between making the playoffs or not.
Quoting: AntiAnalytics
This whole trade is pretty unrealistic,
he just doesn’t wanna hear it


https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4489653

Your best effort.

The title: It worked on my Xbox.

And I'm unrealistic?
26 août 2023 à 18 h 9
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Backlund could very well be the difference between making the playoffs or not.


https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4489653

Your best effort.

The title: It worked on my Xbox.

And I'm unrealistic?


1- i prefaced it like that to show i knew it wasn’t realistic
2- i already said i liked Backlund, but your overpay for him- WHICH U ADMITTED TO- is bad
28 août 2023 à 18 h 3
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https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4489653

Your best effort.

The title: It worked on my Xbox.

And I'm unrealistic?


U left out how it got more positive feedback than your proposal, from BOTH sides, Lol
 
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