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Starting the semi-rebuild

Créé par: Hammerwise
Équipe: 2023-24 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 11 août 2023
Publié: 17 août 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Theres too many mid aged guys to do a full rebuild, but this is about shedding UFAs who won't be re-signed in CGY.
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  1. Drury, Jack
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (CAR)
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  1. Ruzicka, Adam
  2. Vladar, Daniel
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (CGY)
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CGY
  1. Hirvonen, Roni
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (NYI)
  3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
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  1. Zadorov, Nikita (1 250 000 $ retained)
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  1. Olofsson, Victor (2 375 000 $ retained)
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  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (NYI)
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CGY
  1. Chiarot, Ben
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (DET)
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (BOS)
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  1. Coyle, Charlie
  2. Frederic, Trent
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2026 (BOS)
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17 août 2023 à 7 h 49
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Yzerman with another fleece! Nice!
17 août 2023 à 7 h 52
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I doubt the Sabres have any intention on retaining on Olofsson. And if they did It’s gonna cost a bit more than a 3rd with 50% retention.
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17 août 2023 à 8 h 8
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That's I think around the going price for Olofsson without retention. Right now the going piece for retention is high since so many teams are near the cap and you still have one more season until it goes up.
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17 août 2023 à 8 h 16
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You forgot the half retention on Backlund
17 août 2023 à 8 h 16
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Yzerman takes that and runs. 🤭
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17 août 2023 à 8 h 21
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what are you aiming for guys with term?
17 août 2023 à 8 h 23
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I doubt the Sabres have any intention on retaining on Olofsson. And if they did It’s gonna cost a bit more than a 3rd with 50% retention.


Buffalo is a better team without Olafsson. To get a 3rd with retention for one year seems like good value. What I don't understand is why Calgary would want him. He's a defensive liability and not a player you'd want to build your club with. He can score but the other team will score more when he's on the ice.
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17 août 2023 à 8 h 30
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How do the Leafs afford Zadorov exactly? They are over the cap as is and aren't moving main roster salary out - so that's a "no go" from jump street.
17 août 2023 à 8 h 37
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Michael Misa is gonna look soooo good in Calgary
17 août 2023 à 8 h 44
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Quoting: siamro
Buffalo is a better team without Olafsson. To get a 3rd with retention for one year seems like good value. What I don't understand is why Calgary would want him. He's a defensive liability and not a player you'd want to build your club with. He can score but the other team will score more when he's on the ice.


Well sometimes, given the right linemates that can help with his D struggles he can be dynamic. I mean he has put up good numbers. He had 42pts in 54gms with Eichel and Rhino and them 49pts the next season playing 3/4 of the year with a bad wrist. He finds that fit and he probably could be a 50-60pt guy.
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17 août 2023 à 9 h 13
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Quoting: siamro
Buffalo is a better team without Olafsson. To get a 3rd with retention for one year seems like good value. What I don't understand is why Calgary would want him. He's a defensive liability and not a player you'd want to build your club with. He can score but the other team will score more when he's on the ice.


Agree with the sentiment, no way does a top 6 forward on a respectable offense put up almost 50 pts and finish -26 have oodles of value as its purely a one dimensional guy, for CGY they only do this to bring some offense to the 3rd line or insurance for the rookie Coronato but also to maybe move him at TDL for a better pick than they've given up. For BUF its all about moving him out, for a probable high in the round 3rd. (I know 1RW Quinn is injured might throw a monkey wrench into this.) His value might get better, but it might get worse if hes not in top 6.

The returns are a bit meh if you're CGY for some of these, but its about bringing in the youth, adding some picks, getting some young guys with upside (bemstrom/frederic/drury/boqvist) and getting the right type of vets for the next 2-3 yrs that won;t block the Zarys, Poirers....
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How do the Leafs afford Zadorov exactly? They are over the cap as is and aren't moving main roster salary out - so that's a "no go" from jump street.


But they're over the cap enough 1.2 or so, that only Domi/Reaves/Jarnkrot are the moveable cap hits to get them under, so this increase still falls under that cap shortage (and makes a move of Brodie at 5mil more palatable). Zadorov, is not a 1st pairing dman and might play 3LD in CGY, but hes plays 2nd pairing minutes. So maybe a top 6 of McCabe-Klingberg, Reilly-Zadorov, Giordano-Liljegren AND cap space isn;t bad, worse yes, but not bad, but ultimately if they have to drop jarnkrot for nothing then the forwards are worse.
17 août 2023 à 9 h 40
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Quoting: Hammerwise
Agree with the sentiment, no way does a top 6 forward on a respectable offense put up almost 50 pts and finish -26 have oodles of value as its purely a one dimensional guy, for CGY they only do this to bring some offense to the 3rd line or insurance for the rookie Coronato but also to maybe move him at TDL for a better pick than they've given up. For BUF its all about moving him out, for a probable high in the round 3rd. (I know 1RW Quinn is injured might throw a monkey wrench into this.) His value might get better, but it might get worse if hes not in top 6.

The returns are a bit meh if you're CGY for some of these, but its about bringing in the youth, adding some picks, getting some young guys with upside (bemstrom/frederic/drury/boqvist) and getting the right type of vets for the next 2-3 yrs that won;t block the Zarys, Poirers....


Yes because there aren't other 50pt players that aren't like Olofsson and his D struggles.
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17 août 2023 à 9 h 44
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I doubt the Sabres have any intention on retaining on Olofsson. And if they did It’s gonna cost a bit more than a 3rd with 50% retention.
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That's I think around the going price for Olofsson without retention. Right now the going piece for retention is high since so many teams are near the cap and you still have one more season until it goes up.
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Buffalo is a better team without Olafsson. To get a 3rd with retention for one year seems like good value. What I don't understand is why Calgary would want him. He's a defensive liability and not a player you'd want to build your club with. He can score but the other team will score more when he's on the ice.
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Agree with the sentiment, no way does a top 6 forward on a respectable offense put up almost 50 pts and finish -26 have oodles of value as its purely a one dimensional guy, ... So a forward with one less goal and -31 last year returned a first, fourth and a forward with 82 goals over the last four years, who is that Alex DeBrincat!
I have absolutely no idea what Olofsson will bring if the Sabres decide to trade him.
You can rest assured, that if it is ONLY a third with 50% retention, they will keep him.
You do know over the last four seasons Boeser has played 583:45 more minutes than Olofsson but has one less goal (80 v Olofsson's 81).
Two seasons since they both signed new contracts each Boeser goal cost $309,302 while each Olofsson goal cost $197,917.
Last season Brock played over 60% of the time with one of Miller, Horvat or Petterson as his line mate.
Last season Victor played about 10% of the time with our top two centers Cozens or Thompson.
Most NHL fans would think Brock is worth a first at least.

Last season Olofsson had more goals than DeBrincat yet he played 483 fewer minutes.
As I stated above Alex was -31, but he certainly returned a bundle.
Finally, only 22 NHL forwards scored at a faster rate than victor's 1.6 goals/60 last year.
This is not to say Victor is better or even as good as Alex, just making the point that he is a very good sniper, and it is unlikely Buffalo would just give him away for a third with 50% retention.
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17 août 2023 à 9 h 47
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I have absolutely no idea what Olofsson will bring if the Sabres decide to trade him.
You can rest assured, that if it is ONLY a third with 50% retention, they will keep him.
You do know over the last four seasons Boeser has played 583:45 more minutes than Olofsson but has one less goal (80 v Olofsson's 81).
Two seasons since they both signed new contracts each Boeser goal cost $309,302 while each Olofsson goal cost $197,917.
Last season Brock played over 60% of the time with one of Miller, Horvat or Petterson as his line mate.
Last season Victor played about 10% of the time with our top two centers Cozens or Thompson.
Most NHL fans would think Brock is worth a first at least.

Last season Olofsson had more goals than DeBrincat yet he played 483 fewer minutes.
As I stated above Alex was -31, but he certainly returned a bundle.
Finally, only 22 NHL forwards scored at a faster rate than victor's 1.6 goals/60 last year.
This is not to say Victor is better or even as good as Alex, just making the point that he is a very good sniper, and it is unlikely Buffalo would just give him away for a third with 50% retention.


Good Post ghost, some really good stuff there
17 août 2023 à 9 h 47
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Yes because there aren't other 50pt players that aren't like Olofsson and his D struggles.


Not saying there aren;t and I believe that 4.6mil expiring UFA Oloffson without retention gets that 3rd no problem, I agree its a low offer from CGy with 50% retained, but for CGY its not about Olof long term, its to see what he could do and provide insurance if Coronato isnt ready for 2RW. At this point in time there arent any buyers or teams with cap space, and it depends if BUF wants to do it without him from the start. If Quinn wasn;t injured, I think BUF moves on from him no problem, straight up for a 3rd.

And maybe Olof gets more at TDL with 50% retained, and certainly the CGY offer is low but really they dont want him enough to pay market value, hes probably not what theyre looking for short or long term. But Olof probably isn;t a 50 or a 50+ pt player that you can excuse such poor two way play, hes not the only one, but I dont see him as part of the plan going forward in BUF, it just depends on whether BUF wants to start that plan now (And they cant without Quinn). Not saying its accurate or BUF has to do anything...

But its a sign that some thought Olof = Koneckny last year in trade proposals, andother than injuries I can;t see contenders giving up Boeser offers at the TDL (and I thought the boeser deal andsigning was horrible)
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17 août 2023 à 9 h 51
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Not saying there aren;t and I believe that 4.6mil expiring UFA Oloffson without retention gets that 3rd no problem, I agree its a low offer from CGy with 50% retained, but for CGY its not about Olof long term, its to see what he could do and provide insurance if Coronato isnt ready for 2RW. At this point in time there arent any buyers or teams with cap space, and it depends if BUF wants to do it without him from the start. If Quinn wasn;t injured, I think BUF moves on from him no problem, straight up for a 3rd.

And maybe Olof gets more at TDL with 50% retained, and certainly the CGY offer is low but really they dont want him enough to pay market value, hes probably not what theyre looking for short or long term. But Olof probably isn;t a 50 or a 50+ pt player that you can excuse such poor two way play, hes not the only one, but I dont see him as part of the plan going forward in BUF.


I don't think he fits right now either. But I do think if you found him those right linemates he could put up 50pts regularly.
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17 août 2023 à 9 h 53
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I don't think he fits right now either. But I do think if you found him those right linemates he could put up 50pts regularly.


Fair.

I just think with the youngsters BUF has and are coming, hes not the guy. Hes got value, but I think that value is limited and more likely to drop than increase. But it is a weak CGY offer.
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17 août 2023 à 9 h 58
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Fair.

I just think with the youngsters BUF has and are coming, hes not the guy. Hes got value, but I think that value is limited and more likely to drop than increase. But it is a weak CGY offer.


Oh I agree, I am not a big fan of Olofsson. But I also am not gonna sell short on a player that can put the puck in the net. He has to be with the right linemates, that's the worst part about him, because he's a blackhole when he's not. Sabres had a chance at the TDL to move him to Dallas but the deal got nixed cause Tuch got hurt. ****ty part about it is Tuch came back like 7 days after the TDL.
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17 août 2023 à 12 h 25
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The Detroit, Boston, and Toronto trades are all horrendous for the Flames
17 août 2023 à 14 h 4
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Quoting: Hammerwise
Fair.

I just think with the youngsters BUF has and are coming, hes not the guy. Hes got value, but I think that value is limited and more likely to drop than increase. But it is a weak CGY offer.


With Quinn hurt, he’s gonna get good icetime & put up points/goals
If anything, i think his value goes up

But regardless, a 3rd is not enough, especially not with 50% retention
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