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Créé par: Marcsnack
Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 28 juill. 2023
Publié: 28 juill. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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  1. Määttä, Olli
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This now gives Detroit 3 LHD and 3 RHD. They take on an extra $3.25M a season for 2 seasons, get 2 assets and still are getting a player who can put up 40 points as a 2nd pairing dman.
It could be Chiarot, but since he also has a 10-team no move clause, I assume SJ could easily be on it, so I am taking Maatta since he has no trade protection.
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  2. Puustinen, Valtteri
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  2. Russell, Mitchell
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  3. Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
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28 juill. 2023 à 21 h 18
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f that, insanely hard pass from Detroit
28 juill. 2023 à 21 h 22
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Quoting: DeadWingsv2
f that, insanely hard pass from Detroit


Insanely hard eh. Explain
28 juill. 2023 à 21 h 47
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Insanely hard eh. Explain

Petry is a corpse with a terrible contract and we love Maata. I personally wouldn't take Petry for anything less than MAJOR compensation as a cap dump and Maata is worth more than a 3rd and a throw away prospect.
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28 juill. 2023 à 21 h 54
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Petry is a corpse with a terrible contract and we love Maata. I personally wouldn't take Petry for anything less than MAJOR compensation as a cap dump and Maata is worth more than a 3rd and a throw away prospect.


I guess 40 points as a 2nd pairing dman is a corpse sure. Contract isnt great but you guys can easily afford. If Chiarot is willing to go to SJ, Petry (and his contract) would be better than Chiarot.
28 juill. 2023 à 22 h 16
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I guess 40 points as a 2nd pairing dman is a corpse sure. Contract isnt great but you guys can easily afford. If Chiarot is willing to go to SJ, Petry (and his contract) would be better than Chiarot.


I wouldn't be as dramatic as calling him a corpse but here is my opinion of the Detroit trade. Maatta played very well for us last season, so well in fact that he was awarded with an extension. Then there is the said extension that he just signed, would be a very bad look to trade a guy right after an extension was signed. Puustinen has no value to us and the third is just that, a third. Chiarot for Petry straight up is the only way it works for us.
28 juill. 2023 à 22 h 18
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I wouldn't be as dramatic as calling him a corpse but here is my opinion of the Detroit trade. Maatta played very well for us last season, so well in fact that he was awarded with an extension. Then there is the said extension that he just signed, would be a very bad look to trade a guy right after an extension was signed. Puustinen has no value to us and the third is just that, a third. Chiarot for Petry straight up is the only way it works for us.


I think if Chiarot is willing to go to SJ, it makes everything work. If not, then it is an issue.
28 juill. 2023 à 22 h 23
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I think if Chiarot is willing to go to SJ, it makes everything work. If not, then it is an issue.


Too bad we can't see trade lists
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28 juill. 2023 à 22 h 33
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Quoting: DeadWingsv2
Petry is a corpse with a terrible contract and we love Maata. I personally wouldn't take Petry for anything less than MAJOR compensation as a cap dump and Maata is worth more than a 3rd and a throw away prospect.


Corpse? LOL

Love other fan bases making assumptions.
28 juill. 2023 à 22 h 43
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Corpse? LOL

Love other fan bases making assumptions.


Assumptions? He is two years removed from anyrhing close to a 40 point season. He is getting older not younger and as age becomes a factor he will not get better and 6.25 million for two years that is a hard pill to swallow
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28 juill. 2023 à 22 h 45
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I guess 40 points as a 2nd pairing dman is a corpse sure. Contract isnt great but you guys can easily afford. If Chiarot is willing to go to SJ, Petry (and his contract) would be better than Chiarot.


It would be tough to afford next year unless the pens take Chiarot and that would still be tough because they have some big contracts coming up in Sieder, possibly Raymond, etc.
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28 juill. 2023 à 22 h 45
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Assumptions? He is two years removed from anyrhing close to a 40 point season. He is getting older not younger and as age becomes a factor he will not get better and 6.25 million for two years that is a hard pill to swallow


Petry is not in his prime but he is still a quality top-four defenseman. Far from a corpse my man.
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28 juill. 2023 à 22 h 47
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Assumptions? He is two years removed from anyrhing close to a 40 point season. He is getting older not younger and as age becomes a factor he will not get better and 6.25 million for two years that is a hard pill to swallow


He put up 31 in 61, which in an 82 game season, would be 42 points.
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28 juill. 2023 à 22 h 48
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He put up 31 in 61, which in an 82 game season, would be 42 points.


Thank you.
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28 juill. 2023 à 22 h 51
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He put up 31 in 61, which in an 82 game season, would be 42 points.


You can say that but that is just guessing. He may or may not, but either way for that money, Wings could spend it much better. And a top 4, maybe he is not a great top 4
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28 juill. 2023 à 22 h 56
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You can say that but that is just guessing. He may or may not, but either way for that money, Wings could spend it much better. And a top 4, maybe he is not a great top 4


Yes, you can say the Red Wings can spend much better (which I agree). No need to backup another Detroit commenter who calls him a corpse just for the sake of it. CapFriendly already has too much of that going on.

Corpse. HA. Still laughing at that.
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28 juill. 2023 à 23 h 54
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Wow these wing fans really crack me up with their terrible takes lol . a top 4 dman with a 40 point pace is now a corpse ?? guess defenseman are all about offense now
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29 juill. 2023 à 4 h 54
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I guess 40 points as a 2nd pairing dman is a corpse sure. Contract isnt great but you guys can easily afford. If Chiarot is willing to go to SJ, Petry (and his contract) would be better than Chiarot.


If you allow for the quality difference of the teams then Määttä put up a better season than Petry did last season.

The difference in cost between Petry and Määttä makes this an easy no from Detroit. Puustinen is a prospect that may or may not ever play in the NHL and a 3rd round pick carries around 15% chance of netting a NHL player.

Chiarot is a possible option, Petry and him carry the same cost over their remaining years and it would suit our prospect-timeline to shorten the time they have to wait for a spot by a year.

There are question marks even with Chiarot, we may end up with too many offensive defenders and not enough defensive minded ones, but that is the only trade that will make any sense for Detroit.
29 juill. 2023 à 5 h 18
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He put up 31 in 61, which in an 82 game season, would be 42 points.


Määttä, by the same metric, scored 24 points while playing mostly 3rd pair on a much worse team that scored 24 fewer goals than Pittsburgh did.

Petry, one year older, would not sniff 40 points on this year's Detroit team and that is the only metric that is relevant to Steve Yzerman.

There is only one reason that you're trading Petry and that is to clear cap. Detroit is under no obligation to help you with this for free. Detroit could possibly be enticed to help you out but it has to be a deal where we are sufficiently compensated for the favour that we are doing you here.

There are considerations about imbalance between right shooters and left shooters in our defense and Petry would rectify this but it is not a big enough problem to warrant us take on a 12.5 million cap cost. Both Gostisbehere and Chiarot play the right side just as well as the left and Määttä is also an option on the right side so as a reason to make a trade the significance borders on negligible.

Chiarot for Petry is really the only option that makes sense for Detroit. It opens up a roster spot for Edvinsson or Johansson at the TDL when Ghost is traded and it shortens the wait for our right shooting prospects by a year. If you can formulate a trade around Chiarot we'll listen and if the return is good for us we may help you out here but remember that is you that is the one who wants this and we have no reason to do you any favours unless we gain something too.
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29 juill. 2023 à 8 h 59
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Yes, you can say the Red Wings can spend much better (which I agree). No need to backup another Detroit commenter who calls him a corpse just for the sake of it. CapFriendly already has too much of that going on.

Corpse. HA. Still laughing at that.


Quoting: pensburgh571
Wow these wing fans really crack me up with their terrible takes lol . a top 4 dman with a 40 point pace is now a corpse ?? guess defenseman are all about offense now

I was being hyperbolic. He's 36 this season, 38 by the end of his contract, and can't stay healthy. He's cooked and Pens fans know it, or he wouldn't be in every ACGM made.
29 juill. 2023 à 9 h 4
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I guess 40 points as a 2nd pairing dman is a corpse sure. Contract isnt great but you guys can easily afford. If Chiarot is willing to go to SJ, Petry (and his contract) would be better than Chiarot.

I'm having a little fun with the corpse comment, but he's old and can't stay healthy and you know it

The Petry to Detroit ACGMs are just beyond tired. We have less than zero interest, or use for him. The ONLY one on here that has had legs was Chiarot for Petry straight up (based on term and money) and even that one I don't love, but I can see the argument for it.
29 juill. 2023 à 10 h 22
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I dont like trading bad contract(Petry) for bad contract(Chairot) because it usually doesnt work out for either team. DET is in direct competition with PIT for a wildcard spot this year and therefore shouldnt deliberately make them a better team. I think Chicago is a better trade partner for Petry. They have the cap and he might waive because Detroit to Chicago is a shorter distance than Pittsburgh to Detroit.
 
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