Detroit can't really trade away BOS 1st as it's conditionally held up in the Debrincat and Bertuzzi trades.

Ok so trade another 1st

Considering how desperate TOR is to dump murray, and the fact that theres few teams who could take him, his negative value is probably a 3rd and 5th at best for TOR. Clifford who's barely seen the NHL for 2-3 yrs is a negative, only saved by the fact he cost so little,

so what DET is offering is a pretty fair package for nylander alone, let alone taking the TOR castoffs.

And as valuable as I think Nylander could be to some teams in trade, (as leaf fans want full value even while they demean him), very few will pay market value because the only teams that can afford him at 6.9mil are rebuilding and probably dont want an expiring UFA they cant resign. Nylander as an 80 pt guy is worth 9mil, leafs cant afford that, but no rebuilding team is giving up full value without an extension.

If the Red Wings traded for Nylander I'm sure they would sign him to at least a four year deal

Most definitely, but I doubt they give up that much for him, especially with TOR adding junk to the deal

Ya I would try not to trade Rasmussen

Totally, Nylander doesn't have value eh?

Never said that, I think Nylander gets that deal, but TOR throwing in cap dump Murray and Clifford does what for DET or what they'll offer?

Why would TO dump cap after moving Nylander?

Neither Murray nor Clifford need to be in this deal. If you want to nickel and dime, leave Murray and take out Clifford and the 2nd.

TOR can absolutely most definitely afford to keep Nylander.

Leafs don't even consider. Easy decline

Its in the above trade: murray, nylander and clifford. All Im saying is it lessens the value of Nylander in that deal, to throw in murray and clifford.

According to people on here, everything lessens Nylander's value. It rained this morning, that'll lower Willy's value

Very true, I actually think the DET offer above isnt too bad (although Id say the return is close with TOR throwing in Murray) as a starting point BUT never happens. Leafs have invested way too much in this year for them to deal nylander for futures. Nylander alone as a UFA at 6.9mil would be worth a 1st, 2nd, high prospect or a somewhat lower replacement, and a bit more, but at this point theres very few teams who could take on the cap hit.

He has high value, but in the current market, his value is effected by the amount of bidders.

Nylander, even at 9 million will have more than a few teams bidding on him. Its rare to find playmaking wingers and Nylander has been a top 3 pt producer for TOR in regular season and post season for a while.

If the "acceptable" returns on this site are what we can expect, there is no option but to keep Willy. Because you and others are hellbent on seeing Willy return half what he should

Im certainly not, Im one of the few who dont see the guy who ranks in the top 3 in team scoring while hes paid 65% of what they get as the issue. I dont think the guy who gets 6.9mil is the overpaid one, on a team with 3 other forwards getting 11mil. However, the fight i'd risk by daring to suggest that Matthews or Marner should be dealt instead isn;t worth it.

In a cap world and based on the historical results, I do believe the 4 forward/50% of the cap hasn;t worked, and something has to be done, but dont get me wrong I'm not of the dump nylander group.

Nylander should not be the one to go, but too many Leaf fans are decided to argue with. I think Nylander has great value, but that value is now effected by the moves other teams have made. (And while they probably did) If the decision is to move nylander, Certainly before UFA, I would have talked to COL, VGS, all the main contenders to do that deal, IF IT NEEDED TO. But alot of those teams have plundered the UFA pool and filled their holes.

Problem is most contenders are now capped and would have to move salaries as TOR wouldn't want them, and most bottom dwellers/rebuilders are hesitant to trade futures/young players for a UFA, and TOR: full of UFAs, certainly cant move a nylander without a suitable replacement, and cant take back a salary.

Never said Nylander should be the one to go OR that he doesn;t have value. Im not hell bent on trading him at half his value, I did say his value is effected by the pool of suitors at this current moment, and therefore you probably dont move him unless you get that value

None of them are overpaid. They are stars and do all of the heavy lifting. Nylander will get around 9.5 million for 8 years in TO and will be worth it. Matthews is a top 5 player in the world, he isn't overpaid. Marner has been picked as the best RW (1st team all-star) twice and is a selke finalist. They only look overpaid because of the flat cap from the pandemic no one predicted.

All the rationalization in the world means nothing.