No reason for Canucks to do this. Demko > Samsonov (bad year last year but that was injury, will likely bounce back) and Reilly makes 0 sense to Vancouver. Reillys best attribute is QBing a powerplay and the Canucks already have a younger Dman who does that better and is good defensively, Reilly would be pointless in VAN

Yes. Glad we agree

Rielly isn’t even a very good pp qb

Same rules apply to all of us in fact; are you informing your fellow Canucks fans of the ‘forum rules’ ? Or again - just the people who disagree with you?

Not sure how many Canucks AGMs you tend to visit but we tend to disagree with each all the time. Pretty polarized fan base in general actually. Which is why every Canucks fan in this thread telling you Demko is much more valuable than Rielly should be a bit of a hint.

And yes, I have called out trolling and flaming from Canucks fans before. Not that it matters or is relevant here.

Well be sure to include yourself in that list of fans you call out..something about schools in Toronto…
As far as majority of Canucks fans agreeing on demko’s worth - I could care less. Not a fan base on here (Leafs nation included) that doesn’t radically over value their, and undervalue other, team’s players. Trading our starting goalie + our best dman for your starting goalie (and he’s not even top 10, I’d argue not even top 20) is terrible idea for leafs

The fact you don’t think Demko is top 20 is laughable. He’s top 10, probably 7th or 8th right now

Demko must be the best nhl goalie in the league with his career 0.985% save percentage in the playoffs. The playoffs is where it counts right?

Sunny days are not rare in Vancouver

Demko is 5th at worst. Only goalies ahead of him are Vasilevskiy, Shesterkin, Sorokin, and Hellebuyck. For me Demko is better than Saros

That's a flaw with literally every medical staff in the league

Demko wasn't playing behind an AHL defense last year. Not saying they were good, but certainly better than AHL caliber, and Vancouver would have needed a lot more to go wrong for them than just goaltending to have those lottery picks

I love Demko but Saros is definitely ahead. After last season I’d probably put Ullmark ahead, but I do think Demko could have done just as well if he played in Boston with that team

Ullmark could be a flash in the pan, and no, Saros is definitely not ahead

Saros at 5v5
20/21: .945 SV%, 24.64 GSAA, 17.8 GSAx
21/22: .927 SV%, 16.9 GSAA, 4.52 GSAx
22/23: .927 SV%, 20.67 GSAA, 29.36 GSAx

Saros was better at 5v5 this season and in 20/21. Demko was better in 21/22

All situations
20/21: Demko: 8.03 GSAA, 8.7 GSAx
Saros: 20.51 GSAA, 7.75 GSAx
21/22: Demko: 15.01 GSAA, 7.3 GSAx
Saros: 21.43 GSAA, 12.6 GSAx
22/23: Healthy Demko: -1.92 GSAA, 9.86 GSAx
Saros: 29.4 GSAA, 45.49(!) GSAx

Saros has a claim as the best goalie in the league right now. At worst he’s 4th behind Sorokin, Vasy, and Shesterkin. He’s definitely ahead of Demko

Okay, I'll admit that maybe 21-22 is giving me a bit of recency bias, but you're actually putting Saros ahead of Hellebuyck? If so, you have to at least entertain the idea of putting Demko ahead of Hellebuyck as well. Don't forget Hellebuyck was pretty subpar back in the 21-22 season

Hellebuyck is great as well but I’d put Saros above him yes. For me there’s a clear top 5 all in the same tier that could really be put in any order (mine would be Vasilevskiy, Sorokin, Saros, Shesterkin, Hellebuyck)

After that I’d say 6-8 are the same tier and can go in any order (mine with some recency bias would be Ullmark, Demko, then Oettinger). Those guys all have the chance to move into the top tier with a Vezina caliber season next year

Ullmark and Oettinger are just above-average goaltenders to me, with Oettinger being the obvious candidate to leap up to the next tier, but for me, Demko has already made that jump. He indisputably belongs with the Hellebuyck's, Saros', and Sorokin's of the NHL

The guy who just had a statistically horrible year, not even top 50 in some metrics is a top 5 or 6 goalie 🥴🤯?! Even in 21-22, his numbers were just barely, or not even, top 10 - 5c5 or all situations All those metrics your buddy quoted are only meaningful when you standardize for time. Demko played a lot more games than most that year but on a per 60 basis, he was between 10-20 in ‘21 and between 50-60 last year. Hardly the goaltending stud you’re twisting yourself into a pretzel to prove

Wow.

I think you should be placing the blame for that on management. The team should have been a lottery team but your management keeps trying to put lipstick on a pig.

I mean that is true, but realistically if the team began intentionally losing, what does that say about the team culture? Even if they began tanking, that doesn’t secure anything. So they go from 11th overall to 5th overall. That means they do the minor upgrade of Willander to Reinbacher with the cost of Pettersson demanding a trade? In theory it’s good to tank, but in reality it’s not as good as you think. You can’t ask Pettersson and Hughes to stop playing well so there’s no way they were going to be worse than Anaheim, Chicago, San Jose, or Columbus even if they tried

Meh, outside of Hughes it was pretty dreadful. OEL, Myers, Schenn all had a negative WAR so they were below replacement level. I call that AHL

Putting in in per 60, Demko was still one of the best goalies at 5v5. At 5v5 Demko was 5th in the league in GSAx/60 among goalies with at least 50 games played. So that statement is false

Once again, it seems like you have selective reading because you don’t bother with context. Demko was playing through injury until he went out for a few months. But of course, you choose to ignore that due to your passion of being annoying to other fanbase D. Your entire tone and attitude suggests to me that you aren’t even old enough to be on this site. You super childish. Are you sure you’re even 13?

Thank you for your feedback and the example of how to be mature 😅.
I question your cherry picking of data though - Demko at 5v5 with min 50 games played the year before last was 5th in gsaa/60. In all situations he was 11th - last I checked goalies need to stop pucks during PK & PP too 🤔.
And what about last year - he was 19th in gsaa/60 at 5v5 with min 30games played and 35th in all situations. That screams vezina candidate to you, come on lay off the Canuck koolaid