Flames decline

Leafs never do this, ever

In what world do flames ever decline that? They get a player that’s 1.5x more valuable with no strings attached. They literally flip him the next day for twice as much. What are you thinking my brother?

Lol no they don't, Lindholm is absolutely the more valuable player. He is a Selke caliber player and plays the far more valuable position. Nylander is a bit better offensively but pales in comparison defensively

Lindholm is the more valuable player? Come on dude that’s just incredibly false. Nylander is 2 years younger, has a .82 points per game compared to Lindholms .69 , he’s a consistent 30-40 goal scorer, has been the leafs best playoff performer for many years and is one of the best possession wingers in the entire NHL. How did you manage to put Lindholm in the selke conversation when he hasn’t even been considered in the top 10 for selke voting… ever?
Nylander is the much more valuable player in the league and it’s not even close, Lindholm isn’t even comparable.

Nylander is not 2 years younger, he is 1 year and and 5 months younger. Hence why they were drafted 1 year apart.

The leafs have made the 2nd round once since they drafted Nylander in 2014, the bar for playoff performance is not exactly high there.

Lindholm literally finished 2nd in Selke voting 1 year ago. How are you that ignorant? He also finished 10th in voting this year


Both Lindholm and Nylander have only ever gotten 40 goals once. As for points Jason Robertson had 24 more points than Matthews this year, so logically you would trade Matthews for Robertson in a heartbeat.

I feel like you’re grasping at straws here. One season where he played with Gaudreau and Tkachuk and had a career year and got 2nd in Selke voting does not automatically make him a selke caliber player. There’s no consistency with Lindholm, he was a 40 point player at the start of his career for many years, then had a couple good seasons and now is back to his 20 goal ways. Nylander started off as a 60 point guy and now is consistent over point per game.
I’m not going to try and predict the future of these two players but I know Nylander would get a much more substantial return from any team in the league, whereas many teams might view Lindholm as a top 6 guy and not a 1C as he struggled to drive the top line without tkachuk and Gaudreau this year.

You literally said "How did you manage to put Lindholm in the selke conversation when he hasn’t even been considered in the top 10 for selke voting… ever?" Lindholm has finished top 10 in Selke voting 3 times in the last 5 years. Tkachuk and Gaudreau did not get him nominated for being a 2-way center last year, especially Gaudreau who has been hounded his entire career for being a known cherry picker. Lindholm is the one who anchored the best line in the league that season, he did all the heavy lifting that allowed those 2 wingers to run amuck offensively. He enables players to thrive offensively like Bergeron does for his wingers (though Bergeron is at a whole different level, he's the best 2-way center in the entire league since Datsyuk). Just look at this most recent season, Dube and Toffoli both had career years in production.

I have no idea why you are bringing up Nylander's D+3 season, he entered the league the exact same season as Matthews and Marner so Toronto was in a far better state than Carolina was when Lindholm entered the league. Both players finished the season 3rd in team scoring too, the difference is Carolina as a team sucked (8th in the Metro) and Toronto as a team did not (3rd in Atlantic). Either way that is completely irrelevant to who the players are today.

How about you look at a side by side comparison of Nylander and Lindholm instead.
Here is them over the last 3 seasons
Here is them just this last season

Lindholm has 3 top-10 Selke finishes in his 5 years in Calgary; also I'm not sure how Tkachuk & Gaudreau's offense is what helped him finish 2nd in the voting last season. He was still 2nd on the Flames in scoring this season - I struggle to think of any player who won't see his production decline when you go from skating with those two to spending the most of your time 5v5 with Dillon Dube & Tyler Toffoli (who both set career highs in scoring this year, for what it's worth.)

Lindholm at C with his 0.69 career PPG (0.88 in 5 seasons in Calgary, btw) at his $4.85M AAV is just as valuable as Willie Nylander at RW with his 0.82 career PPG and $6.9M cap hit.

It’s fine to overvalue your own players. When I compare them from the years they entered the league until now Nylander is higher in the majority of stats (with the exception being some defensive areas) including the scoresheet which is what matters the most. If you think lindholm is better than the RW who finished 4th in RW scoring in the entire league this year then I don’t know what else to say other then let’s wait and see.

Lol at putting stock in their results from 7 years ago.

Let me ask you this, what do you think Nylander is worth on his next contract, what would you be willing to pay him?

I’d give Nylander 9.5 and Lindholm between 8-8.5

Lindholm is a steal at anything less than 8.5M, especially considering thats what Dubois just got and he's not nearly as good as Lindholm. I personally would not feel comfortable giving Nylander more than 9M. Tkachuk got 9.5M and Gaudreau got 9.75M. Nylander may want that much but he is not nearly as good as them.

Nylander is NOT worth 10M +, thats why they need to dump hime. His team chemistry sucks also, Lindholm is a better 2 way player with some grit, not like Nylander.

It’s hard to base contracts off other players because teams cap scenarios are different and term also plays a big factor. Teams tend to overpay for big name players (e.g Dubois) when they aren’t worth it. Am I giving Lindholm more than 8.5m after the season he just had? Definitely not. As for Nylander he’s shown consistency and can potentially hit 50 goals next season if he tried, lots of upside there. I think 9 is on the low end for a player like that.

Nylander has always played with top notch players, see how he does when that's not the case

Put Nylander on the 1st line / 1st PP with Lindholm and Huberdeau and not only will he have a career year he'll show everyone how much better he is than Marner.

Calgary certainly won't be trading Lindholm for Nylander. A 1st line two way center who finished 2nd in Selke voting (really should have won it) and put up a PPG just 1 year ago won't be traded for a winger the team would only want if he's going to be playing with that same center.

If Lindholm doesn't stay Calgary will want good young players/prospects and/or high picks for him not a superfluous pending UFA winger who won't resign if the team doesn't have a 1st line center for him to play with.

I'm not necessarily depending on a trade for Lindholm, I heard Bucklund and Hanifin also is a possibility. Or it could be with another team, I just think there a couple of reasons, one being the cap and the other is Leafs need more "snot" as Treveling put it and I couldn't agree more.