It becomes even more boring when Caps decline. Dowd is worth way more than that.

Do you think Bouchard will do the favour of that contract? Will you have the cap to give him the contract he deserves in one year?

Non-option unless you really make it worth it. Dude is one of, if not the best fourth line center in the league lol

Yeah the trade is an obvious underpay. I have no clue what his value is so I wanted to see what people think he’s worth

Dowd is so cheap and good it would cost a decent amount more to get him. You can have mantha tho for free

I honestly don’t think it’s too far off for a one year. If he’s looking at just under 4mil for a two year, I could see him going team friendly on a one year. He’s also got no arb rights and I doubt he wants to leave arguably the best power play in nhl history. Cap space the following year would be tricky for sure.

What would you say a reasonable ask for dowd is? I honestly have no clue how to value really solid bottom
6 centres.

I’m good on mantha unless he’s bought out and takes league min for a year haha

In your opinion what would make wsh think about moving on from him?

Gotcha. Hard to know what he is eligible for given the benefit of the insane pp. I also just noticed he's under 20 minutes a game still

Yeah until Ekholm came in I think he was mostly 3rd pair minutes, although this season I could see him above 20 a night. It’s so hard to tell how much gm's value power play points compared to 5v5.

It sounds ridiculous to say but I think a 1st is what it would take. Wouldn't be worth it but he is valuable and I dont think a 2nd is enough. Maybe a good prospect instead of a first. Hard to handicap but a defensively elite 4C who can chip in 10-15 goals and is very cheap is tough to deal

Actually I checked and he didn't have all that many PP points. 13 I think

He actually was tied for 38th in the league for a DMan with 26 ES points. https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20222023&seasonTo=20222023&gameType=2&position=D&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=evPoints&page=0&pageSize=50

His PP pts was tied for 36th lol at 13

Interesting, I guess that makes sense he only really had PP time after the Barrie trade. Next season his points totals could be ridiculous, which makes the one year deal a real risk

Yup. Barrie had 33 pts.

Show me which 4th line center who "can chip in 10-15 goals" was ever traded for a 1st in the whole history of the NHL.

At the tdl sometimes values can get that crazy. But otherwise nope

No one should make that deal and he’s not worth a first but I don’t think the caps would trade him for a 2nd. Look what Jeannot just got, different scenario but he got a ton at the deadline

Jeannot wasn't a 4th liner and everyone agrees that Tampa got hosed on that deal.

Of ~380 forwards that played over 500 minutes at 5v5 last year, Dowd was #1 in shooting percentage at 23.64%. His career shooting percentage prior to last season was just 10.81%. He was riding a lucky streak, yet you're using his goal scoring as a prop for his value. Fortunately everyone else can see right through that ****.

Definitely inflated shooting last season but he scored over 10 goals the previous two seasons with lower shooting percentage.

I’m just saying i think it would take a first to acquire him not that he’s worth it. Now if the caps suck and are selling at the deadline i think it’s a second.

I'd want a late 1st. That's what CBJ got from TOR for Foligno. It was a bad trade for the Leafs from the beginning and Dowd isn't worth that much either, but there is no reason for Caps to trade him for less, at least not at this point.

That's idiotic. Foligno is twice the player Dowd is. Are all Caps fans this out of touch with reality?

Foligno had 16 points when he was traded, he was playing awfully and anything else is historical revisionism. You may think that paying a 2nd for Dowd is unreasonable and on its face that’s true, but you have to understand:

- the Capitals intend on contending and aren’t in the business of dealing value contracts for lottery tickets just because the other GM asked nicely. MacLellan has made it clear he plans to contend.
- Dowd provides more value to Washington and MacLellan would be asking for since their aforementioned plans to contend are made more difficult by anchor contracts like Backstrom and therefore Dowd’s place filling the Eller role while having term on a cheap deal makes him much more valuable to Washington.
- another comparable would be Washington receiving a second for Hathaway as part of the Orlov deal, and Dowd is a more versatile version of Hathaway with term.

If you think Edmonton wouldn’t deal a 2nd or more for Dowd then that’s perfectly fine and almost certainly accurate. But to expect Washington to trade one of their most cost-effective players who fills an incredibly important role for table scraps and thinking it’s out of touch that Washington, a contender, would ask a high price for someone who helps them to contend, is foolish.

The comment I replied to specifically said "late 1st", not sure why you're taking about a late 2nd.

You had an earlier reply to @perrystreett that had earlier floated a 2nd, but I made sure to say “2nd or more”. The intent to show that Washington would not ask for much less than a 1st, or if I’m being generous then a 2nd, is still clearly there.