Calgary gets rinsed in the first trade and Lindholm isn't signing for under 8, he most likely gets at least 8.5

Do you know who Khusnutdinov is?

So do all Calgary flames not understand how to look at stats? Literally all 4 goalies who played in TO's net last season had better stats than Vlader. Even Murray was better. So no Vlader doesn't give TO a better tandem than they have had in years. Woll and Murray are both better.

The Capitals want to get younger. This trade doesn’t make them younger and if they still have Kuznetsov it doesn’t make them better. The retention isn’t significant for a single season. I just don’t see any reason Washington WOULD do that trade.

If Kuznetsov moves out, I would think the Caps will let Connor McMichael get first crack at the center middle six position. Center isn’t as pressing a need as a top 6 winger at the moment. Not to mention, the organization is very high on Protas, and he was one of the guys that played under Carbery a couple years ago. I would be shocked if he’s not one of the 20 skaters on the opening night card.

Value wise, I think it’s a pretty good deal actually, but I just don’t see the Caps doing it.

Quoting "stats" as an argument is about as simple minded as you can be. Comparing Vladar in CGY to Woll in TOR are completely different things. For goalies especially, situational based success is extremely evident. For example, you can't tell me that saying Joseph Woll is better than Karel Vejmelka is accurate, because one played behind the leafs and the other the Coyotes. Saying Matt Murray is better than Dan Vladar is laughable, and this is coming from a Pens fan who wants nothing but success for MM.

Calgary played a defence first system, which should have meant their goalies had an easier time. Despite that, still all 4 goalies who suited up for TO had better seasons than Vlader. But of course, you'll argue that it's somehow not your goalies fault they had bad numbers. It's also not the defence, they are all amazing, same with the forwards. Likely the coaches fault since he's not there now.

Trust me, CGY has far better personnel on the blueline than the Leafs do. However, it was the systems employed by the staff that didn't utilize the strengths of that personnel. Did CGY limit bulk amount of shots from the outside by pressing the perimeter and controlling the puck? Yes! Did they give up extremely high danger opportunities on a very low volume of shots? Yes! So here's a math problem for you. Goalie A stops 33/36 and has a .916 sv %, however, the majority of those 36 aren't high danger and are easy stops from the outside. Goalie B only stops 19/22 and has an .864 sv % (yikes right?). However, if you watch the game you'll see that a third of those 22 shots were high danger scoring opportunities and the goalie didn't have an insane volume of easy stops from the outside. You see, this is why looking at stats isn't the only way you should evaluate players Mr. RipNasty. Calgary didn't play a defence first system either, they played a limit shot volume system, those are two very different things lol.

I am hearing a tonne of excuses. The reality is, TO has no need for a goalie. They have 3 of them on the roster who are good. Woll looks like a keeper for sure. Played really really well last year and Samsonov was a top 5 goalie in the regular season. Vlader had a poor save percentage and a poor goals against average. He's all yours

Samsonov is not signed. If you say TOR has no need for goalie and should run with Woll, Murray and an oft injured Samsonov then be my guest lol. Look, I'm not saying Vladar is the answer, but he's an upgrade at the 1B position. I would hate to see the Leafs current roster waste away because they can't improve in net. Trust me, you'll be shaking in your boots when one of Murray or Woll have to start a playoff game when Samsonov pulls a hammy.

Once again, every leaf goalie had a better season than Vlader did. He isn't an upgrade over anyone we have and is in fact a downgrade over most. Samsonov didn't miss much time but did get hurt when two players crashed into him in the playoffs. Better give you Nylander and Brodie for a guy who has said he won't play in Canada. All to make you happy.

Get real

A Leafs fan telling someone to get real. Oh the irony. Well I hope you have a wonderful day and can get full resale value for your tear-stained Auston Matthews jersey after he leaves for Arizona in 2026!

Arizona. Arizona is going to have the money to afford Matthews. Do you honestly think this? You certainly are not helping your argument

Reading satire might not be your strong suit. Best of luck getting past Round 2!

This is the sort of stuff someone who knows their argument has no legs would say.

A guy that essentially says "check the stats bud" can't really say much about competent arguments. Enjoy obsessing over TOI, +/-, and secondary assists! They sure look nice on the stat sheet and have helped the Leafs wonderfully over the past 55 years.

None of those stats matter to a goalie. So what are you doing here? Throwing out 55 years to feel big? Cool, Vlader sucks keep him

Now these statistics are what we call "examples" to better prove a point, I never said they were specific to a goalie

I'm not even remotely a Flames fan, and have no special admiration for Vladar* like the one you seem to have with future Vezina winner Joseph Woll.

And no, the 55 years isn't to feel big, I actually root for the Leafs and hope they do well, your fanbase is just largely insufferable.

Enjoy the evening, I hope this mock trade involving your beloved Toronto Maple Leafs doesn't cause too much lost sleep!

Insufferable because they don't just accept your baseless opinion as law eh? Typical