Emotions are high in Leafs land right now. We have just landed arguably the best UFA available, and also the son of an actual Leafs legend. The spending we are doing is through the roof, literally, as we are now well over the cap. Something is going to happen with Murray, which just allows us to eek in Samsonov, who will likely come in at around 4 mil. I feel like something is also going to happen with Timmins, a guy who is very clearly a Dubas addition that doesn't make a ton of sense under the Treliving regime. The issue then lies in the fact that we only have a 20 man roster, completely screwing us in the event of an injury (which seems increasingly likely with guys like Bertuzzi suiting up).
Something that I feel has been lost in the barrage of news was what Friedman had been saying about Nylander. Supposedly his camp and the Leafs are very far apart, with Nylander wanting somewhere around 9 - 10 while the Leafs want 8. I'm in the camp of trading Willy if he wants that much, as the precedent for a player like him getting that kind of money is just not there. Forsberg at 8.5 is the best comparison in my opinion. This is supposedly a situation to watch, and one that could potentially boil over in the coming weeks if the Leafs choose to get optimal value. Selling Nylander in the offseason after all the big names have left the UFA market would be the smart thing to do, and would theoretically yield us the best return. Despite this however, I still have this awful feeling that we are going to get fleeced.
Looking at possible packages for Willy, I think a defenseman is the obvious foundation. Go ahead and take a look at the defense group Toronto has right now. It isn't exactly the most defensively sound, so I think this is the route we will go down. As much as I hate the god awful Nylander for Pesce trope, there are some legs there. Carolina seems like a perfect fit for Nylander, and after acquiring Orlov and TDA (maybe), the Canes just have no room for the guy. I myself am not the biggest believer in Pesce and don't think he is nearly as good as Leafs fans seem to think he is, but he is definitely no slouch. I know the popular secondary piece in a Nylander trade has been Jarvis (or primary piece depending on how you see things), I just don't see Carolina moving him. He is so good, and is arguably more valuable to the Canes than Nylander. I know Drury is not quite on the level of Jarvis, but he is quite the player. He also supposedly requested a trade out of Carolina if I recall correctly, so he could make sense in a trade. Another prospect I'd like is Scott Morrow, especially considering the emergence of Nikishin in the Canes system.
Regardless of the suitor for Nylander, I think the return would look something like a proven defenseman, a young NHL ready roster player, and picks. My fear with Pesce is that he is a pure rental. We are essentially moving a legit first line talent for Drury and some magic beans. Not sure it's the greatest asset management in the world, but my gut feeling for the return in a Nylander deal is not good. If this is the route we go down, we better get Bertuzzi resigned next season...
forsberg is prob a good comparable yeah. it’s gonna be weird getting used to a world again with a rising cap lol wonder how much that’s factored into nylander’s ask
i think youre undervaluing pesce and carolina doesnt generally part with their 1st rounders, so if you take out the 1st it’s a closer deal
dumping murray is gonna suck so bad if it costs that much
forsberg is prob a good comparable yeah. it’s gonna be weird getting used to a world again with a rising cap lol wonder how much that’s factored into nylander’s ask
i think youre undervaluing pesce and carolina doesnt generally part with their 1st rounders, so if you take out the 1st it’s a closer deal
dumping murray is gonna suck so bad if it costs that much
I have a hunch Murray fails his physical and gets put on ltir for the season
I appreciate the commentary as most people just throw garbage out and wonder why their posts get obliterated in the comments.
For me, the trade for Nylander comes down to extending him. I think the Canes would have as much issue with agreeing to a contract with him as the Leafs would…especially if the rumors of
Adding EK65 are true.
If push came to shove - I could honestly see a Nylander for Pesce and a sweetener added. I’m not sure they’d do the picks you’ve listed included. Pesce, Drury, 2024 Canes 2nd would be the best they’d do.
I appreciate the commentary as most people just throw garbage out and wonder why their posts get obliterated in the comments.
For me, the trade for Nylander comes down to extending him. I think the Canes would have as much issue with agreeing to a contract with him as the Leafs would…especially if the rumors of
Adding EK65 are true.
If push came to shove - I could honestly see a Nylander for Pesce and a sweetener added. I’m not sure they’d do the picks you’ve listed included. Pesce, Drury, 2024 Canes 2nd would be the best they’d do.
Kinda felt like I was pushing it with the additional 1st. Appreciate the insight from the Canes end of things. Forgot the Canes were in on EK65, although I wonder if you guys just re-acquire TDA and call it quits there...
Either way it will certainly be tricky. Will be interesting to see what goes on with Nylander and Pesce in their separate albeit potentially intertwined fates
I appreciate the commentary as most people just throw garbage out and wonder why their posts get obliterated in the comments.
For me, the trade for Nylander comes down to extending him. I think the Canes would have as much issue with agreeing to a contract with him as the Leafs would…especially if the rumors of
Adding EK65 are true.
If push came to shove - I could honestly see a Nylander for Pesce and a sweetener added. I’m not sure they’d do the picks you’ve listed included. Pesce, Drury, 2024 Canes 2nd would be the best they’d do.
karlsson and burns together didn’t go amazing last time it was tried and also i don’t think carolina is in need of him either. not sure who their pesce replacement would be but karlsson wouldn’t be the best fit
nylander’s scoring touch would be much more appreciated in a canes lineup that lacked firepower after they lost svech and patches. i like that proposed deal for both teams
The Canes will have the puck more than the Sharks did, and they will be deployed differently. Slavin & Orlov & Chatfield are capable skaters and good defensively to cover for Burns and EK. Sharks had Ferraro & Vlasic?
Quoting: ChevelsDayOff
karlsson and burns together didn’t go amazing last time it was tried and also i don’t think carolina is in need of him either. not sure who their pesce replacement would be but karlsson wouldn’t be the best fit
nylander’s scoring touch would be much more appreciated in a canes lineup that lacked firepower after they lost svech and patches. i like that proposed deal for both teams
jet11567, NorthernLeafsFan05 et vikhodush a aimé ceci.
Répondre
Knies,
CapFriendly
CapFriendly