Anderson has a 6 team no trade list which is rumored to have Winnipeg on it, also reports are the Jets already turned down an offer of Dvorak + Anderson + a 1st so why would they do this now?

https://dailyhive.com/montreal/jets-canadiens-dubois-suzuki-trade

Winnipeg will refuse to sign Dubois and let him sit all year before they accept anything like this.

At one point, we might have been interested in Joel Edmundson for a modest price, if Montreal retained 50% of his cap hit, but now that we have signed Vladi Gavrikov, the need for Edmundson has evaporated. Moreover, right now, Alex Turcotte's trade value is at an absolute low point, and you should never sell at the bottom of the market.

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If you’re trying to swap Mantha for Dvorak, Montreal is the one who needs to pay to make that happen. Mantha >>> Dvorak.

Absolutely not, Mantha is ass and has a higher AAV. At least Dvorak can be a serviceable 2way C, Mantha is just lazy and soft out there. I dont understand all the habs fan wanting him, we're better off with Dvorak

Haha okay, here we go.

Dvorak has 2 years left on his contract versus Mantha's 1. The AAV differs by 1.3M, which isn't negligible, but 2x4.45 is 8.9 whereas 1x5.7 is just 5.7 last time I checked. So even if we're looking at them both as cap dumps, it will cost more to dump Dvorak. Let's look at production now.

Mantha: 11G-16A in 67GP
Dvorak: 10G-18A in 64GP

Dvorak had slightly better numbers, but legitimately negligible. However, Dvorak had far less competition for ice time on Montreal. Dvorak's ATOI for the 22-23 season was 16:52, whereas Mantha's was 14:13. Dvorak on average was getting an extra two and a half minutes per game and did nothing with that time. Not to mention that Dvorak had 118 minutes on the PP versus Mantha's 59, literally exactly half. Dvorak should've way outscored Mantha due to his deployment. Dvorak's career high in points is also only 38, which he hit in 19-20. Mantha's is 48, which he hit in back to back seasons in 17-18 and 18-19, which I'll concede was a long time ago, but I'm still betting on Mantha over Dvorak given those track records.

Dvorak is a serviceable two way center? Dvorak over the course of the season threw 13 hits, had 66 blocks (decent for a forward, nothing spectacular), and had a Takeaway-Giveaway differential of -14. That's awful. That isn't a good two way center. Not to mention he had a CF of 42.5%, which is also atrocious. He hasn't posted a CF% over 50% (which is average) since 2019-20. There's nothing good about Dvorak's defensive game other than his painfully average FOW% of 52%.

Comparing those numbers to Mantha: 68 hits, 24 blocks, -10 takeaway giveaway differential. Not much better in terms of defense, but at least he hits someone once a game. The real difference here is his 53.1% CF. This is the lowest CF% Mantha has EVER had in his career and it's still 10% better than Dvorak's season. Literally over 10 percentage points better than Dvorak. And before you say something like "well the caps are better than the habs so he should have better numbers;" the caps finished 8th worst in the league and had only 4 more wins than the habs.

I haven't even talked about Laviolette's deployment of Mantha, but at this point, I've made my point. Dvorak is garbage and has little to no redeeming qualities whereas Mantha had his deployment screwed by an awful coach (good luck rangers). I'll take one year of Mantha over two of Dvorak. It isn't even close, not even in the same ballpark. Mantha at least has a chance to bounce back and has good underlying numbers, whereas Dvorak's numbers all say he is what he is; a cap dump.

Dvorak and Montreal's second for Mantha would be an absolute gift for the Canadiens.

What are you on my guy, Mantha is a cap dump just as Dvorak is, only difference is the term left, which is a year. Mantha makes more too and cap space is probably the most valuable asset in the league at the moment. Dvorak is ass, but I dont see in what world youre getting any assets for Mantha. Dvorak is a center, which is more valuable in the first place and can be serviceable when hes not playing with bums like Alex Belzile and Mike Pezzetta (remember the Habs broke the injury record this year, record that was held by us the year before). At least Washington has a good offense and Mantha couldnt do ****, he actually made other players worse. Talk all you want, im taking Dvorak over Mantha, and Hughes is not giving the 37th overall to swap them. I dont care what you think, not happening.

No factual evidence to back anything up lol. I gave you numbers, you gave me “no.” Okay bud.

Youre facutal evidence didnt show anything other than these two players are ass, past that you have to evaluate the value of those players and many factors come in to play. Those factors make me think Dvorak is more valuable than lazy Mantha, by a small margin yes, but youre delusional if you think Mantha fetches you a high 2nd round pick.

That’s not what I said. I said that Dvorak is a worse cap dump and worse player than mantha. If habs fans believe that mantha is gonna cost a high 2nd to dump, it’s gonna cost double that for Dvorak. Read carefully.